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I HAVE ONE OF THESE, AND COULD USE SOME INSIGHT ON BULLETS; OTHER THAN THE HORNADY 200GR BALLISTIC TIP FACTORY LOADS.  I'LL LOAD MY OWN, BUT AM LESS THAN IMPRESSED WITH THESE LIGHTWEIGHT HORNADAY 200'S.  THE ACCURACY WAS GOOD, BUT DON'T PENETRATE WELL; EVEN ON WHITETAILS.  ANY SUGGESTIONS FOR A GOOD 200 YARD REVOLVER BULLET?
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Barnes all the way!, there expensive but excellent.  They have 200 and 275 grain bullets, XPB I think is the model.  Should be able to get 2000fps with either using accurate no. 9.

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THANKS!  I READ A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE BARNES, BUT IT WAS ONLY THEIR INFORMATION...NOT EXACTLY INDEPENDENT STUFF.  WHICH ONE, THE 200 OR THE 275 FOR DEER OUT TO 200YDS?

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I think either one would be just fine for deer sized game, the 200 gr. should provide less recoil.  I personally don't have a .460 but I do have a .454 and the recoil is stiff, hows the .460.  Also you can use .454 casull ammo in your "hand cannon".
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I'm sure the 200gr would work.  I just wasn't sure about the sectional density of the 200gr vs. the 275gr.  Have you used either of these out of your Casull?
 
The recoil on my 460 isn't all that bad.  It weighs a couple pounds more than a Casull, plus it has a great muzzle break.  Without the weight and the break it could be a different story.  But as it is, the bark is worse than the bite!
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No I haven't used the barnes in my casull, I use hornady xtp mag 240gr. @ about 1750fps.  I believe your 460 is sending those 200gr. bullets at over 2200 fps.
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Yeah, those 200gr bullets scream out of there for a revolver. 
I did try some of the XTP's, and they did great out to 100yds but fell off quite a bit after that.  The 200yd accuracy left me uncomfortable taking a shot that far. 
I read some data by Layne Simpson on the 200gr Barnes.  He zeroed at 150yds and was only 3.5 - 4" lower @ 200yds.  He didn't say anything about penetration or expansion on game though.  I spose I'll give 'em a shot and see how they do.
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I sighted for 75yds and I doubt I'll be taking any shots at over 50yds.
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You'll be able to crush 'em at that range!  I'll give those Barnes a try and let you know how it goes.  Thanks for helping me make up my mind!
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I killed a deer this year with a .460 S&W (carbine rifle).  I used the 200 grain Barnes.    Everything worked great...I think I loaded them with H-110.
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Hey, Tucker.  Do you remember what the penetration was like, and how long the shot was?
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for real screamers I use 180 gr 10mm bullets in 45 sabots in the 454, if you want a source for the plastic tipped bullets hornady uses, get the 50 cal black powder sabot and 45 bullets used in them,  for ordinary hunting loads check out LBT 300 gr hard cast gc -- the velocity may be a bit high, however I've used hard cast gas checked 7mm in 7/30 waters above 2000 fps with no problems.
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Dale,
 
This may sound p*ss-ignorant, but I'm not following you.  Is the 10mm the same as .451?  Do they hold their seating depth when you fire a few of them, or do they try to jump out of the cartridge?  Also, does such a large diameter bullet in only 180gr penetrate well at longer distances?  I didn't get good penetration with the plastic tipped Hornaday's even at closer ranges, i.e. 75yds and less.
 
Thanks for the info! -- Huff
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Originally posted by huff143 huff143 wrote:

Hey, Tucker.  Do you remember what the penetration was like, and how long the shot was?
 
The bullet exited the deer...which kinda bummed me out, because I wanted my bullet back.  It hit the deer really, really hard.  She ran about 15 yards (ran/slid/tumbled).  There wasn't a lot of damage to the deer's ribs...exit hole about the size of a quarter.  It seemed like the .460 hits as hard as my .300 w/m, but doesn't tear up near as much tissue (kinda hard to explain).
 
The distance was about 30 yards....I was hoping for a longer shot, but kinda gotta take what you can get.
 
I was really impressed with the Barnes bullet, just wish I coulda recovered it.
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Thanks, Tuck.  It's good to hear from an independent resource that the bullets worked.  I'm leaning toward the Barnes 200gr now.  Do you recall what powder you used?
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no the 10 mm bullet is just that-- 165 gr (or 180) .401 pistol bullets used by hornady in their black powder sabot loads-- I just change things around a bit.  because of the much lower mass creeping from recoil doesn't bother them. expansion from any handgun is iffy at best, and deer are fragile.  haven't used the 460 only 454, but pretty much use a bullet with a large frontal area on elk and bear.

disclaimer: the use of plastic sabots with guns having cylinder gaps and muzzle breaks with large charges of fast burning shotgun powders can be considered by some as crazy sh*t and not recommended.

 

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Originally posted by huff143 huff143 wrote:

Thanks, Tuck.  It's good to hear from an independent resource that the bullets worked.  I'm leaning toward the Barnes 200gr now.  Do you recall what powder you used?
 
I used H110.  I'm not sure how many grains (I think it was 46)...I seem to have misplaced my load data.
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I'll give the H110 a try and see how it goes. 
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Give this site a look.  This is where I got my loads for the .460.
 
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Originally posted by swtucker swtucker wrote:

Give this site a look.  This is where I got my loads for the .460.
 
 
That is a very cool site.  I didn't know they had all that info on the internet.  Even the pressures...very handy.  I'm going to use that chart for sure.  Thanks, Tucker!
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