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I am considering buying a 45-70 and have looked at the TC Encore and Ruger No. 1. There was only one Ruger locally for me to see. I really liked the fit and finish of the Ruger, but it was a bit heavy and the trigger was just so-so. I have seen three or four of Encores at the gun range, and haven't seen one that would shoot a 2 MOA group. The worst shot about 4 MOA. Is that the norm, or just a fluke? I will appreciate any comments.
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I'd say it's a fluke.  I've got one with a .460 S&W 20'' barrel and my friend (who shoots well) can make them touch at 100. 
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wow, ive heard nothing but good reports as far as accuracy goes with encores, im surprised to hear that.

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I've had people tell me a Ruger #1 won't group, but  I've never seen one in action.  Perhaps somebody on here has experience with both.  I've always kinda wanted a #1....I'd like to hear what folks think about their accuracy while we're debating.

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OK, I have both, and both shoot moa. encore is 250 AL ruger is an international RSI in 7x57mauser absolutely love them both.....Yippee
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

wow, ive heard nothing but good reports as far as accuracy goes with encores, im surprised to hear that.


Pyro, I have seen several Encores chambered for cartridges other than the 45-70 shoot fine, but they headspace differently. I don't know that headspacing on the rim is a problem, but that was the only difference I could think of. I did not know any of the shooters so I can't rule out their part.
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that could be tom, like i said most of those single shots are pretty accurate, even my dads old winny high/low walls shoot excellent and some of them are 70+years old

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I have seen the encores 45-70 shoot 1.5" at 100yds. I think the 2-4"MOA is a fluke, here in Mississippi we have many people using encore 45-70 for primitive weapon season and I have not heard of any complaints. But my little Handi will still out shoot the encores in the big bore calibers.  
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Originally posted by BayouBuck BayouBuck wrote:

I have seen the encores 45-70 shoot 1.5" at 100yds. I think the 2-4"MOA is a fluke, here in Mississippi we have many people using encore 45-70 for primitive weapon season and I have not heard of any complaints. But my little Handi will still out shoot the encores in the big bore calibers.  
Thanks for the info BayouBuck. There must be some reason the Encores won't shoot better than 1.5 MOA. Do you know why?
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im guessing the guys pulling the trigger?
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Pyro, that would make sense if it was only the few fellows I saw shoot. But if BayouBuck's observations are that they won't do better than 1.5 MOA, there must be something other than the shooters.

Could factory ammo have anything to do with it?
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possibly, if they were shooting some sort of goofy loads. but most of the time factory ammo is pretty good, the 45-70 isnt what i consider a target round, shoot a deer in 1.5moa of the vitals with a 350gr .458 bullet and im pretty sure its dead. if you can put it into a pie tin (roughly 8" dia.) with something like that, its dead. i wouldnt dwell on it to much they are big and slow, hitting a deer with a geo metro is plenty of snort to do the job, even if its not exactly where you aimed, i wouldnt recommend taking a lot of head shots with it though
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I agree with you about the accuracy beging more than adequate. My real concern is that it could be evidence of weakness somewhere else.

I plan to reload, and I will probably cook up a few hot ones just to see what they do. I can't remember for sure, but I don't think my manuals talk about reloads for Encores.
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wont matter tom, you can use the standard loads for "modern" fire arms the encore action is very strong. i cant find anything on t/c's web site that shows a guaranteed accuracy except with there muzzleloaders.
like i say, most manuals will have info for "trap door" style 45-70's and also loads for modern or what some books call "strong" actions included would be ruger no1's and brownings newer rendition of the old 1885 single shot also. so look for that type of stuff
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I really appreciate all of the help. Thanks millions.
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I own the H&R Handi-Rifle that is legal in Mississippi.  I know a lot of you won't believe this, but the dang thing pinholes rounds at 50 and 100 yards with the 300 grain Winchester Super-X JHP.  I did not even break in the barrel, and I run a bore snake through it about once every 10 rounds.  I put a 3-9x40 Elite 3200 on it, and I'm about to walk out the door to use it on a Mississippi primitive weapon hunt.
 
This is not an accurate caliber by today's standards, but I have a LOT of confidence in the H&R - and the price is hard to beat.
 
For full disclosure, though, I have to say that I have absolutely NO experience with the TC.  It may be a great piece of gear as well - I just know nothing about it.
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Thank you for the info REMF. You are the second person who has said good things about the H&R Handi. I will try to find one locally for a once-over.
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my father in law had a handy rifle in a .223 and he couldnt hit a barn with it at point blank range, but his dad has one exactly like it in the exact same cal and its a shooter, so like any other gun its luck of the draw at times. im a fan of encores for singles but im a biased sob when it comes to guns.
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I have 2 Encores ( 12ga and 50 cal BP shown -- also have 45/70 Khatadin and 223 HB barrels)  and 2 H&R Handirifles ( this one in 30/30 and a 223 youth for my youngest to shoot) . Both the Handirifles shoot pretty good. The 30/30 is generally accurate with just about any factory load it is fed --at just over an inch at 100yd.s .. The 223 is finicky .. took a while to find what it likes, but I  just can't seem to be beat MOA with that whispery short barrel.
The Encores shot pretty well from the get-go, nothing spectacular-but 45/70 hitting at 1.5 to 2  inches depending on ammo, the 223 HB at just at an inch with what it liked, and the 50cal BP pushing a little over 2 inches . I installed a Bellm 1X hinge pins in both, and upgraded the hammer springs , and ta-da --shooters ! With Buffalo Bore 300 grain fodder and a VX-3 2.5-8 on the Katadhin 45/70, it shoots right at a 1MOA. The 50 cal BP with 130gr 777 pellets and 250 Hornady bonded sabot's can approach MOA if I am diligent in cleaning between shots. The 223 HB now gets me to 5/8" to 3/4"consistently. I credit the 1X hinge pin for the bulk of the improvement, virtually eliminating any "wobble" between the barrel and receiver (  even if it was extremely minor) . http://www.bellmtcs.com/store/index.php


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Thanks for the great information. I think Santa will have to add a TC Encore to his bag of goodies for me.
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