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What would be the concensus on max effective range for the 45/70? And as for the 450, where would it place as I have no experience with either. I had not ever been interested in either until I began to read some of your posts. I enjoy carrying the ole 444 now and then and will continue to. But I plan to add a Blr to my collection and am favoring the 45/70. Found a nice one, maybe too nice but pretty don't hurt if the price is right.
 
I will load ammo for it when I get one so I expect it to do very well for range and accuracy.
 
 
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You need to read some of the old pine board test at a mile.  If you have the sight adjustment, then it will do it.
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That gun there looks like an 1886 and a sweetie at that.
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there are groups in the west that shoot to 1000 yds with the 45-70-- with black powder, the guns are usually Sharps replicas, but don't bet against them.

beautiful piece --- good to go for at least 300 ydss.

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Originally posted by Sgt. D Sgt. D wrote:

What would be the concensus on max effective range for the 45/70? And as for the 450, where would it place as I have no experience with either. I had not ever been interested in either until I began to read some of your posts. I enjoy carrying the ole 444 now and then and will continue to. But I plan to add a Blr to my collection and am favoring the 45/70. Found a nice one, maybe too nice but pretty don't hurt if the price is right.
 
I will load ammo for it when I get one so I expect it to do very well for range and accuracy.
 
 
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...............If you are planning on adding a BLR to your collection, I don`t believe that the new BLR`s are available in the 45-70.....The only .458 caliber available in the BLR is the 450 Marlin.
 
Concerning the 45-70 vs the 450 Marlin? There is nothing that one can do better than the other. Effective ranges for the 45-70 using the flat nosed bullets depends on what you`re hunting. My guess depending on the loads, from 125 to 150 yards, maybe more. The Hornady lever revolution 45-70 ammo probably offers more range.
 
However, the reloader has more possibilities using pointed bullets with a 450 Marlin BLR, which uses the detachable box magazine for loading.
 
Find a lever rifle in the 45-70, which has a detachable box, then you`ll have a 45-70 which would also have the same advantages; the better bullet BC`s, the better trajectories, and the better longer range capabilities that the pointed bullets offer.
 
Using the 450 Marlin w/ a detachable box, extends the effective hunting ranges another 50 to 100 yards minimum in my estimation using the pointed bullets. In that regard, the advantage clearly goes to the 450 Marlin BLR!
 
That was a major factor for me in favoring the BLR. 
 
 
 
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Originally posted by tahqua tahqua wrote:

That gun there looks like an 1886 and a sweetie at that.
 
 
Yes sir, and if I can round up 1200.00 I may be able to bring it home. I may finish this building project in time but I've got alot of irons in the fire. I'm suppost to pick up a 1887 Winchester 12ga. this week. That will finish the dream my Dad had for his Winchester collection, that is mine now. Can't wait to get it home. The finish is all but gone but it is mechanically excellant. The pics will hit soon after.
 
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If I could ever convince her of their appreciable value. Wink
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Originally posted by Sgt. D Sgt. D wrote:

   
 
                                                me  Chair%20Hit   my wife
 
If I could ever convince her of their appreciable value. Wink
 
That is why I have to buy all my guns while I am still single.  Avoids a lot of health issues.  Wink
 
Good looking gun!
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Originally posted by helo18 helo18 wrote:

Originally posted by Sgt. D Sgt. D wrote:

   
 
                                                me  Chair%20Hit   my wife
 
If I could ever convince her of their appreciable value. Wink
 
That is why I have to buy all my guns while I am still single.  Avoids a lot of health issues.  Wink
 
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It looks pretty nice from here and @ $1200 is priced very good.

Good luck
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Originally posted by tahqua tahqua wrote:

That gun there looks like an 1886 and a sweetie at that.
 
Damn your good!! Wink
 
As stated, BEAUTIFUL rifle, Sarge!  
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 Back to a comparison of the Marlin and the Blr. What is your thoughts on trigger comparison? Travel if any, pull wt., adjustibility and crisp or slip. Do you think the Marlin barrel is slightly heavier? 

I have decided against the 450 because it is belted and doesn't show me enough appreciable gain to justify having it over the 45/70. Plus in comparing it to the 444 I've learned some things. I had always thought the 45/70 had a tapered case, that was one reason I hadn't considered it before. Also the data I have below may be out dated but I was suprised at the difference in twist rates. I must admit I don't care for the slow twist this data shows for the 444 vs the 45/70 knowing that the latter is available with much heavier bullet options and suggests a 1-20 twist. Other than that there is less difference in the cases than I expected. One of my motives in wanting a 45/70 is range. I know it has been well established as one of remarkable distance. I am loading for the 444 and it is very reliable out to 300yds. I expect a 45/70 to handle that with ease.

 

                     45/70                                   444 Marlin

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Case type

Rimmed, straight

Case type

Rimmed, straight

Bullet diameter

.458 in (11.6 mm)

Bullet diameter

.429 in (10.9 mm)


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No BLR for you then!!....NA NA NA NA NA NA..............Roll%20on%20Floor%20Laughing
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Originally posted by Big Squeeze Big Squeeze wrote:

No BLR for you then!!....NA NA NA NA NA NA..............Roll%20on%20Floor%20Laughing
 
 
 
Why not ????
 
1886 Blr
 
 
It's ONLY 1200.00 + shipping
 
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Originally posted by Sgt. D Sgt. D wrote:

Originally posted by Big Squeeze Big Squeeze wrote:

No BLR for you then!!....NA NA NA NA NA NA..............Roll%20on%20Floor%20Laughing
 
 
 
Why not ????
 
1886 Blr
 
 
It's ONLY 1200.00 + shipping
 
..................Oooops! I didn`t think that was Browning!... Ok then!... You`ll have a BLR! Just not the new style!............NO pointy bullets though unless you do the Lever Revolution ammo..............Carvings look pretty good!
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Carvings...............I like that.
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i wouldnt shoot lever evos out of a vintage 1886, maybe a little to hot to handle
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The 1886 Browning, as made in Japan, will handle #2 loads with no problem. The Evos are not beyond that. They are ~, though Wink.
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im not talking about a new one, i mean the old stuff, like the old win levers and browning levers.  they often give warnings about stuff like that in reloading manuals.
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That is a modern 1886 with a Lyman tang sight..................very nice, indeed. This one has the target disk installed on the sight.
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id rather have an old one wouldnt you?
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For a collector gun yes. For a shooter, no. I'll take the modern metallurgy for the shooter.
The 1886 is a much nicer gun than a 1895 Marlin. I like the Marlins a lot since I am a 336 guy. But, the Browning takes the lever gun too a higher level in looks and feel. The checkering is very good on those particular guns and the metal " carving" is typical of all the Japanese Brownings I have..............very good.
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im more of a win lever guy as far as old school goes
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Originally posted by tahqua tahqua wrote:

For a collector gun yes. For a shooter, no. I'll take the modern metallurgy for the shooter.
 
 
I'm with Tahqua on this, If I were collecting, this would be a nice quality piece to have but a collection needs the origonal. This one was built in the early 90's and is well able to handle anything you want to feed it. I hunt all my guns in what ever conditions, but this one would require some exception. I think the guy may work with me on it if no one takes action in the next week or so. Time will tell.
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Item 8A: 430 gr. L.B.T.- L.F.N. - G.C. (1925 fps / M.E. 3537 ft. lbs.)
(Big game up to 2500 lbs. - Penetrator Load)
Item 8B: 405 gr. J.F.N. (2000 fps / M.E. 3597 ft. lbs.)
(Big game up to 1000 lbs. - Expander Load)
Item 8C: 350 gr. J.F.N. (2150 fps / M.E. 3592 ft. lbs.)
(Big game up to 2500 lbs. - Penetrator Load)

 

Item 8D:

500 gr. FMJFN (1625 fps /M.E. 2931 ft. lbs.)
A non-expanding Full Metal Jacket bullet designed for the
deepest penetration on the largest game animals.
Item 8E:  300gr. Speer Uni Core @ 2350 fps (3678 ft. lbs.) 
(Big Game up to 500 lbs. - Expander Load) 
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Buffalo Bore's 45/70 offerings ( from a 22" inch tube ) .. offers a wider variety that factory 450 Marlin ammo w/ equal oomph ..


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