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I'm down to the following choices for a 6.5x284 long range Rem 700 rifle, shoot 100-200 target, 600-1200 field; both hunting and target.

 
Bushnell 4200 6-24x50 mildot, side focus, target knobs
Bushnell 6500 2.5-16 x 50 or 4.5-30 x 50, mildot side focus, target knobs
SIghtron S3 6-24 x 50 x 50 mildot,, side focus, target knobs
 
I'll put a kenton elev knob on it when available, probably.
 
Comments?  Or, am I just splitting hairs?
 
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Given this set I think I would pick the Sightron S3.
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I ve bought a bushnell 4,5-30X 50 and It was pretty nice, very good image but over 20X I disgusted for field of view and white light effect. I would prefer sightron s3 or NIGHTFORCE BR
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Is the rifle just for target shooting only?
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my goof I see you said for target and hunting
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Hunting targets?????  Is there a season for that??
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 I had a 6500 that was a complete pile. I didnt even mount it on my scope before I broke the elevation knob, it locked up completly
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I have a Bushnell Elite 4200 Tactical in 6-24x50 with the 30mm tube  Optics are extremely clear (on par with my Leupy VX III 4.5-14 LR).  The turrets track true and m.o.a. is true.  It follows the box test perfectly.  I have it mounted on a custom hybrid match AR-15.
 
In short, I am very pleased with this scope
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I have owned the 4200 6-24 and have the S3 6-24 on the way now.  Give me a few days and I'll make a recommendation.


I do know, from experience, the 4200 is going to be a little short on elevation for a 1200 yard shot (though, admittedly, I don't know the ballistics of your round.)
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Not impressed with the optics of the 6500 and the 4200, though it gets good reviews, has had its fair share of cust service complaints. The Leu has the best cust serv around and in my opinion has optics at least as good, if not better, than those listed, in its top models.
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Leupold makes some great scopes but they do simply not have the best glass in most models.  The newest VX3 and FX3 are a significant improvement over last years scopes.  Where Leupold has it going on is they make nice reticle reliable target and tactical knobs and they have good customer service.  Irregardless of that the Sightron S3 is truely a nice scope and well worth considering.   Once you get into this price range you really do have to question whether or not you should go all the way and jump into a Swarovski or Zeiss. 

10526 Swarovski 6-24x50 Professional Hunter 57203, Matte finish, fine crosshair reticle, 30mm tube, fasy focus shock absorbing eye piece, adjustable objective (50yds-infinity), target knobs, marks on elevation urret cap otherwise like new   $1,499.95
9868 Swarovski 6-24x50 Professional Hunter 57201, Matte finish, plex reticle, 30mm tube, target knobs, adjustable objective, fast focus eye piece, used condition   $1,599.95

10403 Zeiss 6-24x56 Victory Diavari 5217519961, Matte finish, #61 reticle, 30mm tube, side focus, target knobs, lifetime transferable warranty $1,699.95
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I went today and compared a couple scopes the elite 6500, leupold 8.5-25x50 and a zeiss conquest 6.5-20x50 I will no longer be considering the zeiss scope, the optics looked inferior to both the elite and leupold.

If what people are saying about the S3 being better than the leupolds, and on par with or better than the Night force I think I will be getting a S3 but to save a few bucks I may get that 4200,

I hope my opinion helps..
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Originally posted by omahaguy omahaguy wrote:

I went today and compared a couple scopes the elite 6500, leupold 8.5-25x50 and a zeiss conquest 6.5-20x50 I will no longer be considering the zeiss scope, the optics looked inferior to both the elite and leupold.

 
Which model Leupold are you talking about, OG?
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I own a 6500 2.5-16X42T and I'm pretty pleased with it. I believe it to be superior to the 4200.  I have not had a S3 so no comment on it, but members here I respect say they are good scopes. 
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The Leupold was a Mark4, 

The glass is the same in the 6500 as in the 4200, the difference is the magnification spread the 6500 has a greater one that the 4200 that’s the difference..

I was sooo disappointed in the zeiss optics I really thought they would be better?..

The Leupold did look really nice, and at the same magnification objects in the Leupold looked closer, or bigger then in the 6500, I thought they both were about equal I had a scope holder that allowed the Leupold to be placed over the 6500 so I could switch between them instantly, and could really give them a good comparison, using this method is how I was able to decide the zeiss wasn’t for me, I was unable to resolve fine "animal hair" images as good with the zeiss and it was noticeably dimmer, I am sure the mechanics of it are superb, as many people say they have great repeatability and zero return.

I only compared the optics nothing else, also I found the Mark 4's come up marks to be more cumbersome since the come up marks rotate around the knob, it is easier to have them stationary in the front like with most other tactical scopes..

Ok that’s all the rant I have thanks for listening..

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Originally posted by omahaguy omahaguy wrote:

The Leupold was a Mark4, 

The glass is the same in the 6500 as in the 4200, the difference is the magnification spread the 6500 has a greater one that the 4200 that’s the difference..

I was sooo disappointed in the zeiss optics I really thought they would be better?..

The Leupold did look really nice, and at the same magnification objects in the Leupold looked closer, or bigger then in the 6500, I thought they both were about equal I had a scope holder that allowed the Leupold to be placed over the 6500 so I could switch between them instantly, and could really give them a good comparison, using this method is how I was able to decide the zeiss wasn’t for me, I was unable to resolve fine "animal hair" images as good with the zeiss and it was noticeably dimmer, I am sure the mechanics of it are superb, as many people say they have great repeatability and zero return.

I only compared the optics nothing else, also I found the Mark 4's come up marks to be more cumbersome since the come up marks rotate around the knob, it is easier to have them stationary in the front like with most other tactical scopes..

Ok that’s all the rant I have thanks for listening..

COULD you explain yourself about the Zeiss issues...
I am at a loss as to what issues they have?  I was really hoping you could help shed some light on the dimmness vs. the other scopes you speak of... Just wondering...
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just as I said they dont seem to transmit as much light, the Image looked darker when looking through the zeiss, it was not a vibrant as the leupold or elite..
also when looking at animal hairs at 100 yards it wasnt as defined as the leupold or elite, there was more "blending" with the ziess..
I hope this isnt being taken as me bashing the zeiss, I have never had any thing against them and was strongly considering buying one, until I had a chance to do a serious comparison I spent over an hour looking through these three scopes, I would stack one on top of the outher on a double scope holder stock, and kept going back and forth looking at different objects at distances some past 1000 yards, and I would say that as far as optical quality goes the leupold had a very slight edge over the elite only because it seemed to make the object look "bigger" at the same magnification as the others, but the elite is right there by it, and if I had to guess I would say the zeiss seemed on par with my Nikon monarch, but not having the nikon right there, I cannot say for sure..
 
I hope this helps to clarify what I was trying to say..
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Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

Hunting targets?????  Is there a season for that??
there is no season on them around here, they're an endangered species so i try no to hit them directly...i usually just shoot up the range's backstops as the owner looks on with a grimice on his face...
 
for the price of a 6500 i'd be looking at a leupy (which i am)...but that's just me...i have two 3200's on airguns but no experience with the 6500's...zp...
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I would have to put the Sightron SIII above the other two listed.
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Huh...Never heard that before...Always a first...

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Originally posted by omahaguy omahaguy wrote:

I was sooo disappointed in the zeiss optics I really thought they would be better? I was unable to resolve fine "animal hair" images as good with the zeiss and it was noticeably dimmer..


Just wondering, would not having the diopter set correctly cause the resolution issues?

My experience with that Zeiss is the opposite. And the only thing that stopped me from purchasing one was the lack of elevation adjustment.
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The issue that one has at ranges past 600 yds is that many scopes simply do not have adequate internal adjustment in them.  The Sightron SIII does not suffer that problem. The Leupold Mk4  4.5-14 scopes do not suffer that problem.  The Nightforce scopes do not suffer that problem.  The Super Sniper Scopes do not suffer that problem.  The only other viable options are lots more money:  S&B,  U.S.Optics, Premier, Heinsoldt.   Check how much internal adjustment a scope has and you will be able to exclude a lot of scopes from the selection process.  Use a balistic calculator to see how much adjustment you need to get from 100 to where  you want to get to.    measure twice cut once.
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from what ive heard the ziess is a great scope guess i just got a bad one, im a moron and know not of what i speak when it comes to optics please dont put any trust into my methods of evaluating optics, and please dis regard what I have said about these scopes, I have thoroughly learned my leasson and will not dis agree with anything said about scope quality, all I think im going to do is wait for the S3 8-32x56 in mildot to comeout unless something else gets my eye..
 
So thats all.. sorry I posted
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Omahaguy your thoughts are certainly welcome all of us started here knowing less than we know today about optics so do not be discouraged.   Sometimes a scope looks great to one guy and not so good to another - different eyes - different idea of what is important.   I often think way too much imphysis is put on quality of glass when having adjustments that stay put and work correctly is more important to me.  Lots of game has been killed with cheap scopes and different people like different things about one scope or another so hang  in there and feel free to talk about the good and bad of different models.
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