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    Posted: July/13/2009 at 17:24
I have some old reticle moving Kahles (8x56) and Pecar (4x32) scopes I would guess are about 40 years old. While these are better than the cheap Tascos I had, I was after some good better night scopes ,1 a fixed 4X and the other a fixed 8x56.  I have looked through new Schmidt and Benders during daylight in shops and of course cant see much difference. How much have scope optics advanced in the last 40 years? Will a new schmidt and Bender fixed power be noticably better then 40 year old premium scopes, when shooting under full moon (legal where I am)?
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Double yes.
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The new lenses are better than the obsolete 40 year old lenses.
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Manufacturing controls, CAD design, quality plans, ISO 9001 (when designed correctly), inspection methods and devices, measurement and metrics control in production and Quality Assurance are in a whole different league than they were 40 years ago.  Plus, the physics of lens coatings has advanced by light years. 
 
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Yes they are much better but if they look the same to you why bother buying something new unless you have a specific need. I was under the impression that you guys in Australia didnt have much left in the way of guns.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote cr500 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July/14/2009 at 07:00
When I looked through the scopes, it was in a gunshop in the middle of the day. As I do more hunting in the bush in dawn, dusk, and night time, than I do in gunshops at midday, I didnt get to judge the scopes in the environment it would be used in. These 2 scope were for my main night shooting rifles.
As for not having many guns left in Australia, First I heard of it. Try getting a gun built here or getting gunsmthing work done, the gunsiths are all booked out months in advance, shops are selling well. We arent allowed to have machine guns or full autos, unless you have a special licence,but you can have as many as you want of anything else. I heard the laws are easing up a bit more in the near future as well.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote cr500 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July/14/2009 at 08:01
What you are saying is not what I wanted to hear. Looks like I will soon be shelling out some more cash on some hard earned presents for myself, namely new 8x56 and 4x36mm scopes. maybe my eyes are not quite what they used to be or is it just that full moon is not as bright as it used to be?? But either way, I will be wanting the best optics I can get.
 
Before I get the new scopes, does anyone know if Swaro, Ziess or S&B will be bringing out any updates in their fixed power scopes in the near future? My experience is that whenever I buy something expensive, a new improved model comes out the next month.
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The "new improved model, next month" syndrome affects all of us.  The Germans and Austrians do not change as frequently as Japanese or American manufacturers, particularly in this world economy.  Besides, I am perfectly happy with my slightly older Zeiss, Swarovski and Kahles scopes.  They are still the best out there.
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I have been looking through all the usual websites, and one scope which I like the look of is the Ziess 7x50 scope with illuminated reticle. I had my heart set on a full 8x56, but none of the top shelf ones come with illuminated reticle. It seems strange to me that of all scopes, an 8x56 would be the most likely to be used at night, but none come with glowing reticles, what gives? I suppose the other option is a laser site on a non illuminated 8x56???
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Here is a 7x56 with illumination incase you had not seen this one.  http://swfa.com/New-Meopta-7x56-Meostar-R1-Rifle-Scope-P7992.aspx
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