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I didn't want to hijack the Wilson Combat thread.

Lets talk comfortable concealed carry fire power.
I like the Glock 23.  .40 cal. 13+1 large enough for my hands, still small enough to carry without duty gear.  I personally don't trust the 9mm and I don't care how many rounds I can carry. Love the knockdown power of the .45 but the double stack models seem to Beefy to me.
Let the debate begin.........    

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Yep, for all the people that have been shot with the 9mm, get up, your not dead.

 

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shot placement trumps knock down, especially if the weapon is causing trigger pull for expected recoil.  I for one don't want to be shot by my wife with a pellet gun--she shoots too well! 
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I personally carry a Springfield Armory XD 9mm Service Model, I know that it is large for a carry weapon, but I feel comfortable with it.  I am much more proficient with this weapon than any of my other weapons.  Shot placement and the right ammunition do make a difference. 
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See new rule #8

As a pratical matter you can only find ammo for the .40 right now.  Certain people in Columbia Mo told me a couple of weeks a go, that the only 9mm they can get thier hands on is the new Hornady load that is an adaptation of the CorBon-Glasser Power ball.  They said the only ammo that was getting through Customs was Wolf.  YMMV

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I have a .45ACP colt, brother has .40 Springfield XDM, and other brother has 9mm Ruger SR9.  Shooting jhp, my .45 penetrates farthest in wood, (shooting old 3" x 12" planks stacked up), .40 2nd and 9 3rd.  I would not trade my .45 and am still looking for a high capacity .45.  The XDM in .40 is nice due to capacity and power.  9mm is fun to shoot due to low recoil, but given its a 9mm, glad Chris has got 17 in the magazine.
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I'm just say'in!
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Originally posted by SChunter SChunter wrote:

shot placement trumps knock down, especially if the weapon is causing trigger pull for expected recoil.  I for one don't want to be shot by my wife with a pellet gun--she shoots too well! 


My wife too, but it wouldn't be with a pellet gun, she'd shoot me with a .45 Government model. LOL!!!
Your point is well taken, but in the heat of kill or be killed that were talking about, Don't you go with knock down power?
RC, new rule says we play nice. Wink   LOL
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I always think a person should go with the biggest caliber that they can shoot well.  If a 9mm is all a person can shoot well then that is what they should use.  At least you will be making hits.   If you can shoot a .45 well then you gain the advantage of a bigger heavier round.  
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Originally posted by Steelbenz Steelbenz wrote:

Originally posted by SChunter SChunter wrote:

shot placement trumps knock down, especially if the weapon is causing trigger pull for expected recoil.  I for one don't want to be shot by my wife with a pellet gun--she shoots too well! 


My wife too, but it wouldn't be with a pellet gun, she'd shoot me with a .45 Government model. LOL!!!
Your point is well taken, but in the heat of kill or be killed that were talking about, Don't you go with knock down power?
RC, new rule says we play nice. Wink   LOL



That was humor, not argumentation, #8: observed.


I agree that one should carry/use what one is comfortable carrying/using.  I've recommended a few carry .22LRs, because they could put round on target with it and could not with others.

There is no perfect, "catch-all" gun, and I'd acknowledge that I carry different guns in different circumstances that are mission-specific.  I don't carry a Ruger Super Blackhawk when I wear a suit and I don't carry a micro 40cal when I hunt bear.

I prefer .45, because I adhere more to the "big bullet" school of thought rather than the "fast bullet" school of thought. 
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Originally posted by Steelbenz Steelbenz wrote:


Your point is well taken, but in the heat of kill or be killed that were talking about, Don't you go with knock down power?

RC, new rule says we play nice. Wink   LOL
 
No, you go with reliablity. If it does not go ,who ares how big it is?   My little .380 or .32 will not go out of battery with a contact shot.  Neither will my 1911, if it has a fitted guide rod... Think about having a gun battle in a bathroom stall...
 
Then you go with what you can find ammo to practice with. Right now, that is .40, 9x18 and .32.  
 
BTW thanks chris for rule #8 because somebody would have asked if having a pink glock is redundant by now... I'll be out of the office for most of the rest of the day ;)
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45ACP. It fits me well.
 
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The ammo shortage for 9mm has slowed down my shooting, but I made it a habit to buy 10 boxes of practice ammo a month and 1 box of PD ammo back when it was available, so I have enough to practice with for at least the rest of this year.

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I prefer the .45 I always have. I don't recommend the 9mm for reasons that drugged out assailants have been known to keep going when shot with one. Nothing wrong with the caliber. But the 9mm round itself is lacking for personal protection unless you are shooting to absolutely kill. (head, neck shots)
Just my opinion, but I'd rather get shot by a 9mm, than shot by a .22 lr. 
Then too, not all auto loader pistols are capable of firing the +, +P, or the +P+. This isn't a big deal in the .45 cal.
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Joking aside, I like all three calibers mentioned by Steelbenz.
I carry a G19 in the summer and my G20 the rest of the time. The 10mm is more powerful than the .40. But, they are both fine rounds that do the job.
My carry .45 is a USP FS and it is also a great combination. I can use Supers in a pinch with it.
I would definitely rather be hit with a .22 LR than a 9mm. I have shot many different kinds of critters with both and the 9mm is far, far more powerful.
 
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Well, I suppose this debate hinges on what everyone's definition of "concealed" is.  I can carry a full size whatever on my hip with an untucked shirt...if that is what you consider concealed, then I'll take a .45 ACP.   It gets a little harder if you want one to go in your back pocket, that holds more than two bullets.
 
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lets face it you get shot in the face by either a 22 , 9mm .40 or .45 your going to be having a really bad day.

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Originally posted by hunterwingler hunterwingler wrote:

lets face it you get shot in the face by either a 22 , 9mm .40 or .45 your going to be having a really bad day.

 
Or the neck that will screw up a wedding day.
 
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as matter of fact the ammo that "WE" shoot today isnt the same as the stuff our father & their fathers shot. we go deeper & have more power what they did back in the day.

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Originally posted by cpwomack cpwomack wrote:

The ammo shortage for 9mm has slowed down my shooting, but I made it a habit to buy 10 boxes of practice ammo a month and 1 box of PD ammo back when it was available, so I have enough to practice with for at least the rest of this year.



OK Chief,
Questions? I think I already now the answers so I can ask them.  Do you put yourself under stress when you practice?  Do you do any type of IPSC shooting?  Practice drawing and bringing the weapon to bear empty? Practice speed rocks with empty weapon and then go to range and practice live fire. I think you went through the same engagement weapon school I did so I know most of the answers to those questions.  LOL

My point is, If you don't practice like you should, my logic is BIG Bullet, BIG stopping power!
The Le Salle case put me off of the 9mm.    


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Originally posted by Bigdaddy0381 Bigdaddy0381 wrote:

Originally posted by hunterwingler hunterwingler wrote:

lets face it you get shot in the face by either a 22 , 9mm .40 or .45 your going to be having a really bad day.

 
Or the neck that will screw up a wedding day.
 
lol thats no sh*t....
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Originally posted by hunterwingler hunterwingler wrote:

as matter of fact the ammo that "WE" shoot today isnt the same as the stuff our father & their fathers shot. we go deeper & have more power what they did back in the day.

 
+1   (ie. Buffalo Bore)
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I run through all the training exercise that I was taught in the Marines, including the time I spent with PMO on HRT.  In addition, I try to take a class at least once a year to keep current on any of the new training techniques.  So in short, I guess the answer is yes.  I want to get a .45 some eventually, but I have to find one that will fit me (small hands) and the selection available around home is very lacking and I would never purchase a self-defense hand gun without handling it first.  Hopefully, when I get the money and can find the right weapon, I will go with a larger calibur, but for now I am happy with my XD and the Hornady TAP rounds.
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Originally posted by cyborg cyborg wrote:

But the 9mm round itself is lacking for personal protection unless you are shooting to absolutely kill. (head, neck shots)
 
I don't know about you, but if I let things get to the point that I have to draw, somebody is absolutely going to die. I don't believe in shooting to wound. If I have to draw, it's because someone wants me dead.
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