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OK, I have been contemplating de-seating the older, "cheaper" Burris Timberline on my M70 .280 and replacing it with something newer and clearer.
 
Shoots good...I'm just having an itch to replace it after all these years.
 
I want a 3-9x and have it down to what I think is four or five choices.  On one hand, I find another 4200 Elite (or the new Elite Series) due to their low cost compared to good quality ratio.  I hear bad things about their Customer Service, but until I have a run-in with them for whatever reason, I will keep that area out of the discussion as I have never had any issues out of any of the Bushnell products I have invested in yet (knock on wood).  And on the other three or four hands, I really like Conquests, Big Skys and what I have heard out of the Vipers.
 
I have been reading a bit on the SWFA SS model and it seems a bit pricey compared to the competition for what you get...perhaps there is something that I am missing there?
 
Ok, I know that this is a pretty broad group to choose from, but which, for the money, is the best fit for my .280 REM in ya'll's opinions?
 
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I have not looked thru a BS or Viper, I own both a 4200 Elite and Conquest in 3-9X40 and I really like the Conquest for a .280 size deer rifle!  Good eye relief, an excellent low light reticle and good glass!
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I think the Sightron Big Sky is a very nice scope. Glass is good, price reasonable, supposedly they do have a hydrophobic coating (like the Bushy) and their CS is very good. Nuff said. Hippie
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toss up for me between the zeiss and the sIIBS both are excellent. course all of the scopes you mentioned are great. i love my 4200 i love my viper, if all of them had some sort of hydrophobic coating it would literally be a coin flip for me.

by the way i love love the .280. if you ever decide to sell it let me knowWink
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

toss up for me between the zeiss and the sIIBS both are excellent. course all of the scopes you mentioned are great. i love my 4200 i love my viper, if all of them had some sort of hydrophobic coating it would literally be a coin flip for me.

by the way i love love the .280. if you ever decide to sell it let me knowWink
 
Really, since I already own one, the 4200 shouldn't have even been mentioned, I guess...sorry!
 
As you all may or may not know, I am attempting to be a low to mid grade quality optics connoisseur; ranging from Tasco World Class, to Weaver fixed scopes of the past, to 4200 Elites to no-name Hunter Wicked Optics variable scopes.  So I am looking to diversify my optics portfolio as much as my high powered rifles are diverse...different scope for each rifle is my goal, as scary as that may sometimes be. 
 
My dad has told me time and time again; "Son, you found a good one, stick with it!"  Well, like women leading up to your life-long partner, I'm going through them like they won't be made anymore unil I finally end with "The One"!
 
Ok, now that the 4200 is out of the way and the SS is looking a little to be out of the picture, that leaves the Viper, Conquest and Big Sky.  I don't know for sure what pulled me towards looking at that SS, but something about a tactical scope on my hunting rifle is suddenly not so appealing to me anymore.
 
Oh, and pyro, the M70 stays with me! Cool
 
Thanks folks.  


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all 3 have excellent cs ( which i know you said dont consider it now) id take either the zeiss or the sightron myself.
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

all 3 have excellent cs ( which i know you said dont consider it now) id take either the zeiss or the sightron myself.
 
You're making this easier and easier for me!
 
I started this thread thinking "Man, really like the Conquest and the Big Sky"...here we are a few posts later and I'm back where I started!
 
So, since the general concensus thus far has pointed me back in the same place I was a few hours ago...talk to me about these two scopes.
 
Pros and Cons of the Big Skys and the Conquests...
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flip a coin there, they are pretty similar in all aspects, the bs is a 42mm instead of 40mm, other than that they are about the same price, basically same eye relief. the zeiss has a little more fov on 3x. looks like sightron is giving a rebate if you buy a bsII right now if that sways you any. i was really impressed with the zeiss, and i think the bsII is in the same boat.
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I have a  280.  Guess what is sitting on it...


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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

I have a  280.  Guess what is sitting on it...


 
You have to excuse my computer, koshkin...for whatever reason the picture that you include isn't showing up here.
 
DO tell what it is!!!
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Also, I am digging that holdover reticle for the BS...anybody know what caliber that it is calibrated to or maybe how off that it would potentially be on a .280?
 
It would be pretty pointless to drop the extra $50 or so on that reticle if it's calibrated on .223s or something of the like.
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It is the same scope that was used by tahqua for a while:

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I cant speak to either the Conquest or the 4200 as I have never used one. I do have a 3-9 Viper as well as a 3-9 SIIB. The SIIB is a classic scope in look and function. No fast focus eyepiece on the SIIB (doesn't matter to me but it may to you) and easily resettable windage and elevation turrets which are unfortunately only marked in 3moa increments and feel kinda sloppy. The Vortex turrets are similar but are spring loaded and marked in 1moa increments which I prefer when dialing elevation changes. While the vortex power ring looks kinda strange compared to the Sightron's conventional ring I prefer it in part because to me the SIIB turns the wrong direction. Both have good glass but IMO the SIIB is a half step ahead of the Viper in clarity and contrast. Either way you really can't go wrong as they are both outstanding scopes in their price range. My SIIB is on a rifle that spends a-lot of time in dark timber and I don't do a-lot of dialing for elevation changes whereas my Viper is on one that is used in more open settings where I do dial more for elevation. I guess I play to the strengths of each scope based on how I use them.

(edit) I should say the SIIB turrets feel sloppy when re-indexing them as compared to the Viper. Actual windage and elevation clicks are precise and crisp on both scopes when adjusting.


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If you ever plan on selling any of them I'd go with the Zeiss. I'm an average Joe schmo hunter and before coming to this board I didn't even know what a Sightron or Vortex was. If I was looking to buy used I'd buy the Zeiss becasue I know their reputation and prior to coming to this board wouldn't even consider the other two.

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sightron and vortex have both been around for a long time actually. vortex is better known for their binos probably than anything.
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Originally posted by BigGameBalls BigGameBalls wrote:

If you ever plan on selling any of them I'd go with the Zeiss. I'm an average Joe schmo hunter and before coming to this board I didn't even know what a Sightron or Vortex was. If I was looking to buy used I'd buy the Zeiss becasue I know their reputation and prior to coming to this board wouldn't even consider the other two.


if thats the concern then buy leupold.
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

Originally posted by BigGameBalls BigGameBalls wrote:

If you ever plan on selling any of them I'd go with the Zeiss. I'm an average Joe schmo hunter and before coming to this board I didn't even know what a Sightron or Vortex was. If I was looking to buy used I'd buy the Zeiss becasue I know their reputation and prior to coming to this board wouldn't even consider the other two.


if thats the concern then buy leupold.


There's always somebody willing to pay outrageous prices for average quality because it says Leupold on the side and has a pretty gold ring on it.
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aint that the truff!Bucky

not to jack this thread, but i bought a varixII in the late 90's for $199.95, recently i saw a scope just like it for sale for $225 and it wasnt nib even.Loco
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

Originally posted by BigGameBalls BigGameBalls wrote:

If you ever plan on selling any of them I'd go with the Zeiss. I'm an average Joe schmo hunter and before coming to this board I didn't even know what a Sightron or Vortex was. If I was looking to buy used I'd buy the Zeiss becasue I know their reputation and prior to coming to this board wouldn't even consider the other two.


if thats the concern then buy leupold.
 
Even I know Zeiss is a much better scope then Leupold. Most average hunters know or think Zeiss and Swaroski are the cream of the crop. They are still what I would consider a main stream brand.
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Originally posted by BigGameBalls BigGameBalls wrote:

Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

Originally posted by BigGameBalls BigGameBalls wrote:

If you ever plan on selling any of them I'd go with the Zeiss. I'm an average Joe schmo hunter and before coming to this board I didn't even know what a Sightron or Vortex was. If I was looking to buy used I'd buy the Zeiss becasue I know their reputation and prior to coming to this board wouldn't even consider the other two.


if thats the concern then buy leupold.
 
Even I know Zeiss is a much better scope then Leupold. Most average hunters know or think Zeiss and Swaroski are the cream of the crop. They are still what I would consider a main stream brand.


Zeiss and Swarovski are the cream of the crop. Bucky
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Ok...I am thinking Big Sky 3-9x-42mm with a Plex reticle (does Sightron offer a #4? because I would prefer one over the Plex).  With the $75 mail in rebate, it is beating the Conquest out for me and since I am reading that the pros and cons of the two are trivial, Sightron is winning the battle.

I am also going to upgrade from my two-piece mounts (older Weaver) to a Talley Picatinny base with fixed rings.  What can I say?!  I think that it will look cleaner, on a personal level, with that setup over the Weavers that are on it now and I have become quite the Talley fan over the past few years...
 
Quick question:  Will the low Talley rings clear a 42mm on my M70?
 
If so, I think I'm set!
 
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Originally posted by EchoWhiskeyOne EchoWhiskeyOne wrote:

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Quick question:  Will the low Talley rings clear a 42mm on my M70?
 
If so, I think I'm set!
 

It Should. I have mine in MED rings but that is just personal preference and not dictated my mounting issues. A 1 piece Picatany base usually sits a bit higher than weaver bases (thicker) as well so that may also help with clearance. Another good base is the Warne Tactical 1 piece base http://swfa.com/Warne-Tactical-1-Piece-Base-P10086.aspx. I have one on a REM 700 and it's a good sturdy base. Not cheap though.
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