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you would be more successful in selecting the rifle first, then seeing what cal it comes in.
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You can buy a Weatherby Vanguard synthetic in .300 Win. Mag for $399, and it will be a shooter. Hard to do it much cheaper than that............. I better stop, or I'll go buy another one.
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

Originally posted by trigger29 trigger29 wrote:

Wasn't the .338 Lapua mag origionally (sp) based on a necked up .300 rum, before Lapua took over the development? That thing has to hold a ton of powder...................................... a ton of powder is 14,000,000 grainsBucky


no, they arent from the same family, the lapua has a .588 head , where as the rum has a .534. the lapua was introduced in 1987. its based off of the .416 rigby. takes similar amounts of powder as its competitors do.
 
Yes, you are correct, I got my facts confused for long enough to let my fingers take over.
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I think a 7mm rem mag or 270 win would work well for a long distance deer rifle.  Lots of rifle choices and the ammo can easily be found.  
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Another vote for the 300 win mag.
 
To me a long distance rifle should be able to shoot a bullet with a decent ballistic coefficient and sectional densityt at 3000 fps + .  The 30-06 shoots a 180 gr 30 caliber bullet at 2800 fps and the 338 win mag shoots the 225 gr bullet at about the same speed.  To me that is not ideal for a long range (as defined 400 yds +) rifle.
 
By contrast the 300 win mag will push a 180 gr bullet at 3100 fps all day long.  I have had identical rifles in 300 win mag and 338 win mag and I can tell you that I can shoot the 300 win mag all day but after shooting the 338 win mag my old shoulder needs a couple of Advil.  The 338 win mag got rebarreled to a 338 RUM with a ported barrel and a couple of in stock recoil suppressors and it will push a 225 gr bullet at 3100 fps all day.
 
I would not recommend a heavy 338 (338 RUM, 340 Wtby, 338 Lapua, 338-378) without getting a extra heavy rifle or a muzzle brake.  By contrast, most shooters can and do tolerate 300 win mags.


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Originally posted by timber timber wrote:

I think a 7mm rem mag or 270 win would work well for a long distance deer rifle.  Lots of rifle choices and the ammo can easily be found.  



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If your looking for a multi-purpose deer rifle these two calibers are an excellent choice.  Their both flat shooting, for long distance, and with less recoil than a 300wm. I use a 7mm myself.
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I like the idea of less recoil, flat trajectory, and long distance for both the 7mm rem mag and the .270 win. What brand and model do you own? What do you recommend? How bout scope..wadda ya got? I don't need any top of the line stuff...just a hearty tool that's gonna do the job day in and day out. Being out and about, do you recommend stainless? Do you use a tripod/bipod?
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Get on Gunbroker.com, look at the savage 116 rifles. These are very accurate and priced very reasonably.  For a little more $$ the Remington 700 rifles are very hard to beat and I think the 700 is a lot nicer looking. And for a little more $$ Browning is out there... There are so many choices it is difficult to pick just one. Nearly all the choices are available in stainless or blue. Is this to be your first bolt-action rifle?
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I think it might be wise to start over at the beginning by asking a few questions, since you have gone from asking about whether the .338 Winchester Magnum or .338 Lapua would make a better long-range rifle for deer, to all of a sudden thinking a .270 or 7mm magnum might be better.
 
1) How much hunting experience do you have?
 
2) How do you define "long range"?
 
3) Will you use it on anything else except deer? You originally said "primarily deer," not "only deer."
 
 
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Originally posted by sakomato sakomato wrote:

Another vote for the 300 win mag.
 
 
 
By contrast the 300 win mag will push a 180 gr bullet at 3100 fps all day long. 
 
Shocked I'm pushing a 180 gr. to 3050 out of a 300 Wby..............I must not be pushing hard enough.
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82.3 gr of r-25 will get you 3112 fps 75.5gr of r-22 will give you 3118fps 70gr of imr 4350 will give you 3130fps and 73gr of imr 4831 will give you 3160fps. its possible, you just gotta stuff it full all of those loads except the imr4831 are shown as compressed loads in my manuals. all the info except the r-25 came from my 6th edition nosler the r-25 info was from lee 2nd manual.and they did it with a 24" lilja barrel too. not a 26"
weird thing is that you got to the h-imr data center and they only show imr 4831 to go to 74gr at 3025fps?? the 4350 data doesnt match up either.


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A .338 for deer??

Are these armor-plated deer?


I get heckled for hunting deer with a 300WM, I just don't wanna have to track something through thick brush, so I kill it on-the-spot.  But a .338 is a whole other level of...something.


I se many, MANY lightly used .338 Lapuas and .300RUMs because people want the power but find that they hate the recoil. 

A friend recently bought a 300RUM against my advice.  he put a brake on it, the brake worked, he was happy - with all but the $70/box ammo.  He shot a hog with it recently but forgot to put on hearing protection first, he said it made him nauseous and his ears rang for hours.


I too like power, but a .338 is a special-purpose cartridge, and very few need it - far fewer than have it.

If it is a genuine question of deer hunting and wanting the long reach, a 300WM is a good bet.  The ammo is cheaper and easier to find, the recoil is significantly lower (never known anyone to detach a retina from a 300WM, can't say the same about a .338), and you won't see a loss of accuracy due to flinching in anticipation of the pain of recoil.

And at $5/round,you hate to miss much with a .338.  Or shoot much.
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Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:




  He shot a hog with it recently but forgot to put on hearing protection first, he said it made him nauseous and his ears rang for hours.


  Muzzle brakes are a pet peeve of mine. As someone who has suffered some hearing loss due to the careless use of a brake by someone who knew better, I get very angry when I see guys shooting heavy braked rifles while their kids are nearby, often w/o hearing protection.  This is a criminal act as far as I'm concerned.
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Originally posted by drd34 drd34 wrote:

I'd prefer minimum recoil. I'm basically looking for a long range multi-purpose/ deer rifle. I have no preference of finishes or company...just dependability under possible extreme conditions.


drd - a .338 wm or .338 lapua don't really fall in to this category.  If you want a .338, go for it, never talk a man out of another rifle, but for a long range minimal recoil, going to have to say .270 or .280.  .270 has been doing exactly what you want since 1925 so you know it works.
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I'm sold on the .270 personally. Why does Pyro say .270 Win sucks???
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Because he doesn't have one.................
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Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

A .338 for deer??

Are these armor-plated deer?


I get heckled for hunting deer with a 300WM, I just don't wanna have to track something through thick brush, so I kill it on-the-spot.  But a .338 is a whole other level of...something.


I se many, MANY lightly used .338 Lapuas and .300RUMs because people want the power but find that they hate the recoil. 

A friend recently bought a 300RUM against my advice.  he put a brake on it, the brake worked, he was happy - with all but the $70/box ammo.  He shot a hog with it recently but forgot to put on hearing protection first, he said it made him nauseous and his ears rang for hours.


I too like power, but a .338 is a special-purpose cartridge, and very few need it - far fewer than have it.

If it is a genuine question of deer hunting and wanting the long reach, a 300WM is a good bet.  The ammo is cheaper and easier to find, the recoil is significantly lower (never known anyone to detach a retina from a 300WM, can't say the same about a .338), and you won't see a loss of accuracy due to flinching in anticipation of the pain of recoil.

And at $5/round,you hate to miss much with a .338.  Or shoot much.
I guess you wouldn't like my .458 Lott much...
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Not really KB.  You are not looking for a light recoil long range deer rifle.  (know you know this).  I think it is kind of neat that you use it.  You don't have to, but choose to for your own reasons and are happy.  I would hate to see someone looking for gun get something they will hate in the morning.  Personally, 99.44% sure won't use a .458 Lott for deer, but there is always a chance.

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KB, didn't say never, there is .34% I might.  Your last post is making me laugh so hard I can barely type, the sad Taz needing a pick-me-up.

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So what happened to the other .22%....

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Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:



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It is curious.  (Should an accountant even admit he made that simple math mistake?) Been looking at this computer way too long.


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Originally posted by drd34 drd34 wrote:

I'm sold on the .270 personally. Why does Pyro say .270 Win sucks???
Pyro thinks the .270 win. nearly killed his favorite caliber, even though it was Remington themselves who nearly killed it. Many deer at many ranges fall to 130gr, and 150gr. .277 bullets. A 150gr. killed one at 516 yards last fall, and I watched her fall where she stood. That was a .270 wsm, but the year before, it was done at 480 with a .270 win. It takes practice by the shooter, and the caliber does have to be up to it, but it doesn't require a cannon to shoot the longer ranges.
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