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well since i am considering this cartridge and since i know a few of here own one lets see what kinds of results you have turned out with the .338 win mag dont be shy
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

well since i am considering this cartridge and since i know a few of here own one lets see what kinds of results you have turned out with the .338 win mag dont be shy
......................Are you sure that you want a 338 Win? What about the recoil that you didn`t like with your 300 WSM? Seems to me that even with any extra rifle weight, a 338 Win. will have as much if not more recoil. You know that you`re going to load the sucka up to the max don`t you???.............In my new `08 Hodgdon reloading magazine, from a 338 Win. its MV from a 24" tube using a 225 gr. Hornady SP goes anywhere from 2642 fps. to 2832 fps...............A 180 gr. Nosler BT is from 2972 to 3157 fps.........A 200 gr. is from 2784 to 2979 fps............A 250 gr. comes in from 2401 to 2564 fps. All are from the max. column!..............Better do a calculation on recoil??Heavy%20RecoilCrutchWe don`t want you to get a 338 Win. and then post up complaining about it`s recoil!!!!................Roll%20on%20Floor%20Laughing That would be hilarious!..............Oooooh!.......THAT SMARTS!!!      
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the kimber has a 26" tube so you can inflate the fps a bit, i wouldnt shoot anything heavier than a 225 any way, its over kill for white tail as it is, the last time i shot a .338 win it was a m 700 bdl composite stock ss action and barrel i shot 225gr bullet that the owner had loaded up with a pretty stiff charge of r-22 and i didnt think it was any worse than my 300win mag really.
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

the kimber has a 26" tube so you can inflate the fps a bit, i wouldnt shoot anything heavier than a 225 any way, its over kill for white tail as it is, the last time i shot a .338 win it was a m 700 bdl composite stock ss action and barrel i shot 225gr bullet that the owner had loaded up with a pretty stiff charge of r-22 and i didnt think it was any worse than my 300win mag really.
....................I still really don`t see how you`re going to escape with less recoil than a 300 WSM!!!!...That Kimber is not the heaviest piece!
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7lbs and stock thats built for function not mass production, i can see how it will help
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

7lbs and stock thats built for function not mass production, i can see how it will help
............................Good luck!........I still think you`re in for a BIG recoil suprise, regardless of stock configuration....
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i just ran the recoil calc and im only looking at 35ftlbs with the .338 with a 225gr bullet my 6.3 lb 300wsm with a 180gr bullet made 38ftlbs, its was 1.1 pounds lighter the bullet went faster so a 3ftlb difference could make or break the deal?? guess we will see, l know that the remington i shot was a half a pound heavier than the rifle im looking at but i still know i can handle it, the win mags push more, the wsm's and ultras are more like a sharp kick, big difference in felt recoil
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338 Win Mag 3 26" 10" 46 1/2" 7 5/8 27177 $1,092
SA 035012346 300 WSM  (BOSS)    23"   42 3/4"   13 3/4"   5/8"   1/2"   6 lbs. 6 oz.  
338 Win. Mag.
Features:
  • Model 8400 rifles feature both pillar and glass bedding.
  • Model 8400 rifles with wood stocks have a floorplate release button inside the trigger bow.
  • Kimber scalloped base sets are available for all models and sold separately.
Specifications: Approximate Weight: 7lbs. 4oz.
035012331 338 Win. Mag.  (BOSS)    26"   43 3/4"   13 3/4"   5/8"   1/2"   7 lbs. 3 oz.   $846
Caliber: .338 Win Mag
Capacity: 3 Rounds
Finish: Hawkeye Matte Blued
Stock: American Walnut
Barrel Length: 24"
Groove: 6
Twist: 1:10" RH
Overall Length: 44 3/4"
Weight: 7 7/8 lbs
338 Win. Mag. VDM338NR4O RH 24" 7 3/4 lbs. 44 1/2" 3+1 24" #2 1-10" 13 5/8" 5/8" 3/8" 1 1/8"


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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

i just ran the recoil calc and im only looking at 35ftlbs with the .338 with a 225gr bullet my 6.3 lb 300wsm with a 180gr bullet made 38ftlbs, its was 1.1 pounds lighter the bullet went faster so a 3ftlb difference could make or break the deal?? guess we will see, l know that the remington i shot was a half a pound heavier than the rifle im looking at but i still know i can handle it, the win mags push more, the wsm's and ultras are more like a sharp kick, big difference in felt recoil
..............Do me a favor! Calculate these two from my little compact..............300 WSM,,,180 gr. @ 2994 fps,,,6.75 lbs. w/o scope; 7 lbs. 10 oz. w/scope!!..................A 200 gr. @ 2828 fps..........Let`s see what ya come up with!
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i need the amount of powder in grains to go with it
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

i need the amount of powder in grains to go with it
.........................69gr. RL22 w/200 gr. Nosler A/B @ 2828 fps..................65.5gr. imr4350 w/180 gr. sst @ 2994 fps..................How dat?
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with your loads i got 34.5 ftlbs on the 200 gr and 30.42 with the 180gr and im only figuring rifle weight, not scope and rings and bases with the loads in my rifle it was 37.20ftlbs, because my rifle was a half a pound lighter and i used more powder to get to that 3000 fps number than you

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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

with your loads i got 34.5 ftlbs on the 200 gr and 30.42 with the 180gr and im only figuring rifle weight, not scope and rings and bases
.......................Not too shabby! Thank you sir!!!!..........Now do this one. I haven`t tried this yet, but I have read the data..........225 gr. Horn SP @ 3000 fps. using 79.5 gr. of RL15, 375 Ruger Alaskan W 20" tube.......Rifle weight w/scope= 8 lbs. 11 oz.
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36.33ftlbs
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

36.33ftlbs
..................Thats lower than I thought!
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you have a tank for a rifle at over 8lbs that makes a difference
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Hey pyro

I have had a 338 win mag for a couple of years now.  Have a 300 win mag in a Beretta Mato so when I had a chance I found one in 338 win mag and jumped on it.  Identical rifles and after a few months of shooting the 338 win mag it was giving my old shoulder a workout (I can shoot the 300 win mag all day, no problem).  So I put a muzzle break on it.
 
 
It was a lot easier on my shoulder.
 
I shot a lot of 225 and 210 gr TSX's, 225 and 200 gr Accubonds.  In order to try and get the velocity I wanted I always had to go over max and never really got there.  With the 250 gr bullets the bullets would start taking up case room and I would really have to start compressing powder.  Had a case head separation and decided that pushing the envelope was not the answer.
 
So now I am sticking closer to book max and pushing the 210 gr TSX at 2885 fps and the 225 gr Accubond at 2730 fps.  Now many would say that is plenty and what's the problem?  I just expected more. Roll%20Eyes
 
If you get a fast barrel and push hard you might do better.  I am contemplating getting the rifle rebarreled to 338RUM.  Load that caliber down to a medium load or lower to push a 210 gr bullet at 3000 fps which is where I want to be.  By contrast the 300 win mag has always exceeded my expectations.
 
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thanks for the info
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Muzzle brakes do work!..........But! When the day ever comes when I put a muzzle brake on my rifles, is the day when ducks start oinkin and pigs start quackin!! 
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i just checked  the hodgdon web page and the 200 gr load in the .338 will give me the same recoil numbers as your 200 gr load for your 300wsm, so you tell me whats a surprise??
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

i just checked  the hodgdon web page and the 200 gr load in the .338 will give me the same recoil numbers as your 200 gr load for your 300wsm, so you tell me whats a surprise??
...................................You`d better get that 338 Win. in the Kimber then; ASAP! Slap it on credit card!................Can`t cheat with a muzzle brake now!!!Happy shootin!.............
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 I've shot a lot of .338s over the years, and for some reason they just don't seem to kick as hard as they should.  It's probably just a weird mental thing on my part, but most have not been uncomfortable for me to shoot.  (....shrugs....)
 Muzzle brakes, on the other hand, make almost any rifle obnoxious, in my opinion.  I'll take stout recoil over ferocious muzzle blast ANY day...
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I've never had a problem with muzzle brakes, particularly on stout calibers.  My reasoning is this; we as shooters and hunters use evey means of modern technology to make us better, I feel the brake falls in this catagory, just like the newest powder, bullets and calibers.  If a break gives you confidence and comfort, by all means use one.  All rifles are loud, break or not and some breaks especially the boss can greatly improve accuracy.
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i shot one mule  deer with my 300 win mag with the boss on board, after an hour of being basically deaf i tore it off and promptly ordered a boss cr, i wont do another break like that again.
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Maybe I'm already deaf, but i've never noticed that great of recoil blast, granted its louder but not that much, to me at least.  What I have noticed is that if your standing next to the shooter, it is quite a bit louder, but not too the shooter. Just my thoughts.
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