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Am new to reloading and deciding on a bullet for elk in AZ.   Either Nosler partition 225 gr, Spear grand slam 225 gr.  Any other suggestions?  I know the nosler have a good reputation, but the spear are cheaper, and with that caliber does it really matter?  I think sierra might have a 250 grain gameking and hornaday makes an interbond in 225, but haven't had any experience with any.  
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gamekings are fine the nosler accubond would work too, the whole high dollar bullet is a must for elk is a crock of sh*t, i have shot elk with everything from a 100gr .243 to a 225 gr .338, no need for you to spend $50 for a box of 50 bullets to go elk hunting.
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

the whole high dollar bullet is a must for elk is a crock of sh*t, i


Agreed, between my dad and me we have killed 5 elk with 100 grain .243 rounds.  4 with one shot and one with a close range double tap to the chest.
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agree here also, used everything from hard cast 44 mag thru grand slam in the 338, although it worked well, the velocity on 338 is not high enough to take advantage of the higher dollar stuff. better to reload extra rds. for practice!!!
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If the new 180 TSX will shoot well in your rifle, you will find its higher velocity will give  you a longer point blank range than a heavier bullet. It will also kill any Elk that walks and have a higher % of weight retention than any leadcore bullet. All that said, if you put any decent bullet behind the shoulder and get the heart or both lungs the Elk will die.
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I understand there's another fella (Larry) here in Wy (Besides me) that uses Barnes, I asked, the neighbors and some local friends and they tell me he's a real jerk. Not too many of us Barnes fans here.
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thats cause they are to expensive and to hard on whitetail, mule deer is questionable at best. save the money and buy a cheaper bullet and spend more on a scope or rangefinder.
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Sierra makes both 250gr & 215gr .338 bullets, I personally like to use the less expensive bullets.  If you choose a heavy for caliber bullet, I believe you will have good results and will still shoot flat enough for most hunting range distances, 0 -300 yards.
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Pyro brother, I'm not concerned about the money part. (338 mag aint cheap to shoot anyways.) They (TSX) work well for me, thanks to you, Cyborg and Rifledude giving me the advice for application, and helping with the reloading tips. Now if I could get y'all to get off my case about the bullets I choose. Like I said I think that I will be ahead of the curve when the lead mandates begin to really start taking effect. I've been on the road a bit, and am now back home for a week, I'll be working up some more loads. Thanks to y'all I'll be even more anxious to see what these can do.................. Cyborg phone call inbound.
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actually loading the .338 isnt any worse than loading the 300win.
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I used the 230 grain Nosler Failsafes to shoot my elk.  I shot it twice in the lungs at around 75 yards, neither shot exited the elk.

The bullets worked exactly I wanted.
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and likely it would have died after the first shot, but a wounded elk can run a mile with no lungs, so you did right.
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Cowboy, Pyro makes a point about the expense of hand loading the 338. It's pretty much a moot issue cost wise when compared to other magnums, the difference is only pennies per round from one to the next. The biggest difference is the brand of bullet that you choose.
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My uncle shot an elk last year with a 30-06 at 150 yards with a 150gr corelok(sp) (12$ from wally world)One shot it stumbled for about 3 seconds fell over DEAD.
So all in all good shot placement is the key.


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Well put Bigdaddy, It doesn't matter what you use if you miss the mark.
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Originally posted by Bigdaddy0381 Bigdaddy0381 wrote:

My uncle shot an elk last year with a 30-06 at 150 yards with a 150gr corelok(sp) (12$ from wally world)One shot it stumbled for about 3 seconds fell over DEAD.
So all in all good shot placement is the key.


Agreed.  However, as an easterner spending $$ for a guided elk hunt, I wanted to maximize my chances for having the elk drop after I shot.  Given that the increase in cost for my handloads for using premium bullets was a small fraction of the total cost, I was willing to go with the failsafes.
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certainly relate to the once in a life time hunt point of view, but its still going at it from the wrong end--- if you want to max. spend the extra on practice and the bullets you will be using so that  correct shot placement is not an assumption
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Originally posted by Dale Clifford Dale Clifford wrote:

certainly relate to the once in a life time hunt point of view, but its still going at it from the wrong end--- if you want to max. spend the extra on practice and the bullets you will be using so that  correct shot placement is not an assumption


I like belts and suspenders.  There was no problem with my shot placement nor with my bullet performance.  For me, that's a win-win situation.  Big%20Smile
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sorry didn't catch the past tense.
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Originally posted by 358hunter 358hunter wrote:

I like belts and suspenders.  There was no problem with my shot placement nor with my bullet performance.  For me, that's a win-win situation.  Big%20Smile
 
I'm with you, 358.  Yes, there are scores of people who have killed elk with .243's.  So, does that then make a .243 an ideal elk round?  I think not.  Since I don't live in elk country, I don't have the luxury of having access to elk hunting in my backyard, where I can go as often as I want and still be home for dinner at night, thereby giving me more shot opportunities.  When I use my valuable, limited vacation time and a drop a couple grand in expenses to go elk hunting every other year, what's an extra 50 cents per bullet when I'm bringing a whole 40 rounds of ammo for 2 rifles on the trip with me? 
 
Nobody's claiming that only premium bullets will kill an elk.  But really, what is the disadvantage to using tough, premium controlled expansion bullets?  Why purposefully select lightly constructed bullets in marginal calibers if you don't have to?  So, using tougher bullets designed for heavier game means you're out a whopping $20 extra on ammo.  I'll spend more than $20 on beef jerky from convenience stores when I stop to gas up along the way!  If I'm worried about spending such an insignificant amount of extra money, then I have no business going on an elk hunting trip to begin with.
 
Elk are tough animals that can be tough to bring down quickly.  After packing out several elk up and down steep canyons in altitudes where oxygen is far more scarce than it is here in east Texas, it didn't take me long to discover that this isn't my favorite part of the hunt!  Every step an elk takes after the shot in the opposite direction of camp is one more step I have to take in hauling elk parts back to camp.  Why not use every equipment advantage at your disposal to ensure that your equipment will perform at the moment of truth when you may only have 1 shot opportunity, especially when the extra added insurance costs less than $50?Loco
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actually ted every step an elk takes away from you after the shot is more like 3 steps for you!  and you can say what you want about elk guys, but they die like deer if you hit em right, i have seen elk fold from a long ways away with a sierra bullet and they go for what $25-30 a 100? i agree with dale that practice will make it a lot better in the end and yet i can see where you are concerned with the animal going down right now since its a once in a lifetime ordeal.i still say split the difference and go with a nosler partition or a nosler accubond
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In 2001, I shot a New Mexico bull 3 times from 100 yards right in the boiler room directly behind the shoulder with a .300 mag/180 grain SST's.  I killed the elk, yes, but he kept walking, following a group of cows, and after the first 2 shots, he looked back at me as if to say "is that the best you've got?"  I followed the advice of someone who told me at the time that the SST was a "tough" bullet, suitable for elk.  When I field dressed the bull, I had a perfect 3 shot group the diameter of your fist right in the crease behind the shoulder.  Only 1 lung was destroyed because the bullets hit ribs, completely fragmented and didn't penetrate more than about 10".  I found tiny pieces of copper and lead everywhere in the chest cavity.  I got lucky that he didn't run a long distance, because I got pitiful bullet performance!  On that same trip, my buddy shot another bull with a 180 grain Fail Safe out of his .30-06, with pretty much the same bullet placement as me.  The bullet expanded, held together and exited and his bull dropped in his tracks from that one shot.  Then, a couple days later, since I had already shot my bull, I was glassing for yet another buddy on the same hunt and witnessed him kill his bull.  He was also using the 180 grain Fail Safe, but from a .300 WM.  Same story -- 1 shot, the bullet expanded well, stayed together and completely exited.  The bull walked about 20 yards and fell over.  From that point forward, I vowed I would only shoot elk with tough, controlled expansion bullets that stay together.  I don't like having a bullet not exit and there are too many good ones available that will.  I feel I owe it to the animal to not leave anything to chance.  When I just spent $2K by the time all expenses are added up, I'm not concerned with paying $20 more for a box of bullets; that's pretty cheap insurance.  As much as I like the Accubonds on deer, and I have no doubt they would probably work fine on "reasonable" shots at elk, I'd rather err on the side of caution and use something a little tougher on a 700 lb. elk.   You can't underestimate having confidence in your equipment, and there's no such thing as overkill when you're faced with the prospect of hauling a few hundred lbs of meat a long distance back to camp.  But hey, that's me; call me crazy.Wink

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the most expensive bullets money can buy dont help you hit your target though! i dont know how many more times i can say this, sierra bullets kill elk just as good as $45 a box bullet does, my dad killed an elk every year that i can remember with either his trusty 336 30-30 150gr sierra or his 30-06 also with a 150gr sierra, placement is key and even with my cheapo bullets taking out ribs on both sides my elk only ran 10yds, kinda hard to run with no heart or lungs, i would feel more comfortable with the accubonds and if you shoot a .308 diameter rifle a 180gr accubond is perfect elk medicine.
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Thanks for the info guys.  Rifledude, when you say you would use something a little tougher on elk, what bullets do you have in mind.  I heard failsafe, but what others?  And how would you guys rate those other bullets on toughness and reliability on expanding and retaining weight?  Nosler partition, Sierra gameking, Hornaday interbond, Trophy bonded bear claw, A-frame.  Which ones would you trust on a "not so ideal" shot.  
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nosler partition swift aframe barnex tsx all the expensive stuff like that
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