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I am looking for a .308 Semi Automatic rifle that can be used for hunting as well as personal protection. I prefer something that is more of a standard "sporting" style but could be upgraded to "assault" style with the proper modifications.
I have narrowed my choices to 3: The FNAR/Winchester SX-AR, the DPMS Panther Long Range and the M1A. I have done a lot of research on each and would appreciate any input on what you would choose and why. I prefer to keep the initial cost in the $1500 range and uprade as necessary. I also would like the ability to use up to a 20 round magazine.
 
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I have used a M1A for hunting (open sights) with great success. I use a 5 round magazine, which is flush with the bottom of the stock, andf makes the rifle lighter and easier to handle in the field. The problem with the standard M1A is, it is difficult to scope because the cheek weld places your head to low to sight through a scope with a proper and consistant cheek weld.
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Hard to go wrong with one of the DPMS offerings.
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I went through the same soul searching ..and kept coming back to the M1A "loaded" edition ..
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I am working now on getting a CMP M1A to lean with and if I like it,   go all out.
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Another vote for the M1A. I haven't scoped mine yet (scout model), I really like using the open sites.
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Originally posted by SVT_Tactical SVT_Tactical wrote:

I am working now on getting a CMP M1A  M1 to learn with and if I like it, go all out.
  
There. All fixed. (The CMP-available M1 Garand is the ancestor to the M1A/ M14 series, but not exactly the same thing. Different clip/ magazine systems as well as chamberings. Most Garands are .30-06, most M14s are 7.62x51mm NATO/ .308 Winchester.)
 The handguards are different also.
 All are great rifles, though.
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tanks.....I dont' know anything about the two....

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no worries!!!   Thunbs Up
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 You're welcome! You're gonna love your Garand!

 One important thing I forgot to mention is that the M14 is a select-fire version. (Pretty uncontrollable in full auto, from what I've heard from some Korean War Veterans.)
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Good to know the difference.  thanks.

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M1A (M14)

M1 Garand

M1 Carbine




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i definately don't want the carbine.

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Anyone know how accurate the garand is. and how accurate you can make it with some "upgrades" if any (ie barrel, trigger job)
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Originally posted by SVT_Tactical SVT_Tactical wrote:

i definately don't want the carbine.




Not for the application mentioned but I added a pic anyways because there's sometimes confusion when mentioning a M1.
(M1 Garand or M1 Carbine).

My first few deer were taken on a M1 carbine back in my early teens. It's a sweet little rifle.  Thunbs Up


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oh yeah i know i was just saying in general it doesn't appeal to me.

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no offense to the .30carbine, but imo its not a good deer round past about 50 yards.
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Armalite AR10, you can probably find one for about $1500 now, great gun, easier to mount optics to, easier to maintain, great gun.

I've owned M1s, very good guns; for this application, I'd get an AR10.
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Had several of each and shot both a lot-when military was 100 bucks/1000 rds. both the m1 and m1a are dependant on the bedded action for accuracy, as the trigger group on both , swings down it unlocks the action and allows its removal. both can be made accurate, and both are good for hunting but both are on the heavy side for this. Both suffer from a good optical mount point of view. Since the m1 with only 8 round clip (one of the few guns that uses a true clip and not a magazine) has been thrown in-- get a remington semi, better optical mounting, more accurate and better trigger pull.
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

no offense to the .30carbine, but imo its not a good deer round past about 50 yards.
 True; it's basically a small, light rifle chambered for a pistol cartridge. It will kill deer, but not the best choice...
 
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

no offense to the .30carbine, but imo its not a good deer round past about 50 yards.




No offense taken!!!

It was the rifle that my grandfather gave me to shoot when I was 12 years old. The deer were all taken well within 100 yards and with "open sights". I didn't move up to a larger caliber rifle until a few years later. Gotta remember this was close to 40 years ago and times were different back then.  Wink


(edited because it's actually closer to 40 years ago)  Shocked


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Originally posted by mike650 mike650 wrote:

Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

no offense to the .30carbine, but imo its not a good deer round past about 50 yards.


No offense taken!!!

It was the rifle that my grandfather gave me to shoot when I was 12 years old. The deer were all taken well within 100 yards and with "open sights". I didn't move up to a larger caliber rifle until a few years later. Gotta remember this was over 30 years ago and times were different back then.  Wink
 Did you use surplus "ball" ammo, Mike, or was there even any thing else available as far as softpoints, etc?
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Originally posted by RONK RONK wrote:

Originally posted by mike650 mike650 wrote:

Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

no offense to the .30carbine, but imo its not a good deer round past about 50 yards.


No offense taken!!!

It was the rifle that my grandfather gave me to shoot when I was 12 years old. The deer were all taken well within 100 yards and with "open sights". I didn't move up to a larger caliber rifle until a few years later. Gotta remember this was over 30 years ago and times were different back then.  Wink
 Did you use surplus "ball" ammo, Mike, or was there even any thing else available as far as softpoints, etc?


"Ball" ammo. Back then my cousin, who was in the military, used to get us ammo. Not sure if it was free or discounted but there was always plenty to shoot. His son (cousin too) used a carbine as well (scoped). Back then the process for our family's seemed to be .22's, then carbines, to .270, 30.06 or 7mm. Come to think of it, in the 60's/70's a lot of the stuff we used was military equipment. Our jeep was a '42 Ford (Willys), we actually still use it.




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the .30 carbine isnt legal in some states for deer, i do believe wyoming and and minnesota are two of them.
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