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 I'm on the market for the best .308 rifle and scope I could get for shooting targets at 750 yards. I am beginner but want to try advance I want a scope with mil-dot. The thing is I don't know what scopes are the cheap ones or the best that money could buy same goes for the rifle. Also do the scope mounts make a difference or does it not matter?

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What is your budget?

Where in California are you?

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Originally posted by neilbilly neilbilly wrote:

http://www.snipercentral.com/scriflepackagedetails.phtml?packageid=1

that looks like quite a rifle package at a reasonable price.  Probably could be considered a "best buy".  I do have a bit of an issue with their scope choices, but they do allow you to choose "other" and special order a scope.  

Hard to beat. 
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Mel is happy to get a SS and put it on the rifle package. I would go that route and have him put a 10X SS on it.
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Lets assume for a minute that you are not into $3000 plus rifles and $3000 plus scopes and examine what I would buy without sacrificing ability of the equipment.
rifle remmington R5 Mil Spec .308
rings  Talley lightweight ringmounts or TPS  ring and mount or Badger Ordnance.
Scope I have a 10x HD Super Sniper on mine but the Zeiss Conquest below might make sense for you just starting out, any of the scopes below would work for you.
SWFA SS 10x42 Tactical Riflescope Mil-Dot SWFA SS 10x42 Tactical Riflescope
Stock # - SS10X42HD
  • Matte
  • Mil-Dot
  • 30mm
  • Rear Focus
  • OK for .50 cal
  • .10 Mrad
  • HD Model
$799.95
Other possibles
Sightron 6-24x50 SIII 30mm Riflescope Sightron 6-24x50 SIII 30mm Riflescope
Stock # - SIIISS624X50LRMOA
  • Matte
  • MOA-2
  • 30mm
  • Side Focus
  • 1/4 MOA Tactical Knobs
$869.95
Sightron 16x42 SIII 30mm Riflescope Sightron 16x42 SIII 30mm Riflescope
Stock # - SIII16X42MMD
  • Matte
  • Modified Mil-Dot
  • 30mm
  • Rear Focus
  • Target Knobs
$549.95
IOR 4-14x50 Tactical 30mm Rifle Scope MP-8 IOR 4-14x50 Tactical 30mm Rifle Scope
Stock # - 414508
  • Matte
  • MP-8
  • 30mm
  • Side Focus
  • Free IOR Sun Shade w/ Purchase
$1,074.95
Zeiss 4.5-14x50 Conquest Rifle Scope Rapid Z 1000 Zeiss 4.5-14x50 Conquest Rifle Scope
Stock # - ZEI5214909973
  • Matte
  • Rapid Z 1000
  • 1"
  • Side Focus
  • Target Knobs
  • Etched Glass
  • 2nd Plane
$924.95
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The older style of Super Sniper also has lots of internal adjustment to dial in correction they come 6x or 10x two styles 16x, and 20x and are a bargain but the scopes above are even better and I would prefer them.  There are less expensive rifles than the R5 that will work the Remmington varmit rilfes heavy barrel Howa's Tikkas Savages all have good reputation for accuracy.  I prefer stainless so I like the tikkas and the R5
SWFA SS 16x42 Tactical Riflescope Mil-Dot SWFA SS 16x42 Tactical Riflescope
Stock # - SS16X42
  • Matte
  • Mil-Dot
  • 30mm
  • Rear Focus
  • OK for .50 cal
  • 1/4 MOA
$299.95
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The sniper central package is definitely one of the most reasonable I have seen.  Accprding to their calculator, one could get a very good package for well under $2k... including a scope.  

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I agree, it pretty much takes the guess work out of the equation. You get a pro job done on the stock swap and scope mounting, plus it's already sighted in. If you fail with that rig, it's YOU, not the gun. Big Smile
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Originally posted by philip393 philip393 wrote:

 I'm on the market for the best .308 rifle and scope I could get for shooting targets at 750 yards. I am beginner but want to try advance I want a scope with mil-dot. The thing is I don't know what scopes are the cheap ones or the best that money could buy same goes for the rifle. Also do the scope mounts make a difference or does it not matter?

 
 
 
"Best" is a very nebulous term. A better way to say it might be "best rifle/scope for $2K" or "5K" whatever your budget is. There are som many excellent rifles for not allot of money, and so many really excelent rifles for a whole lot of money. I have a PSG P2 w/Kahles that has always shot better than me ;) . An example might be https://secure.tcarms.com/store/icon-warlord-in-308-win.html that is allot of rifle for the $$$ IMO.
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If you are going to get the whole rifle/scope package, you should get one from SWFA.

If memory serves me right, they put together (or at least used to) packages with Savage 10FP rifles and S.S. scopes.

Howas are decent, but I will take Savage with the S.S. over Howa with the Elite 3200 any day of the week and twice on weekends.

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I think I'm the only person that posts here that doesn't think much of the trigger on a trigger accutrigger set-up. Hiding    


Wasn't aware that SWFA was selling tactical package deals. 

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the savage accutrigger?

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Yup, don't like it. Just a personal preference I reckon.
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yeah it take time to learn but I love mine
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I've got a Savage Mark II .17 HM2 and I love the round, but would love more being able to swap triggers with any of my Marlins. 
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I would say a budget of 3,000. I live in a small farm town in the valley so I have a lot of free land to shoot.
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Thanks for the site I might get it. I'm hella of excited.
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Thanks so what do you think would be a good scope?
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What do you think about this scope above. SWFA SS 10x42 Tactical Riflescope

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What do you think would be a good package for less then 2k? Thanks
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If you are a beginner with a $3000 budget who wants a 308 for shooting out to 750 yards or so, I would suggest contacting SWFA and asking them what they can put together for you.

If I were assembling such a rifle myself, I would be getting the following:

Savage 10FCP HS Precision (~$1100 or so)
Harris Bipod 9-13" (~$100; that is the height that seems to fit me the best, but that is personal)

All together it comes out to a bit over $2k.  Use the rest of the money on quality practice ammo (or quality components if you reload).

Do not balk at using a fixed power scope.  It is a lot more versatile than people give it credit for.
Once you have put a couple of thousand rounds through your rifle, you will have a very good idea of what works for you and what does not.  At that point, you can look at alternatives.

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Thanks for taking the time. As for the .308 I just want to have fun and watch myself progress in a recreational way. I just like learning. Your personal preference sounds pretty good. I'm going to look into it. I was wondering do the rounds brands make a difference, is there one more better in the field that I want to use them in?
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+1 on the HD SS 10x  Big Smile
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Originally posted by philip393 philip393 wrote:

Thanks for taking the time. As for the .308 I just want to have fun and watch myself progress in a recreational way. I just like learning. Your personal preference sounds pretty good. I'm going to look into it. I was wondering do the rounds brands make a difference, is there one more better in the field that I want to use them in?

If you are somewhere not too far from Southern California, we can meet at the range some time and you can get a look at 10x42HD, since I have one (along with a few other scopes here and there)

As far as ammo makers go, each rifle has a mind all its own, some brands will shoot better than others.  In my experience heavy barrel 308 Savages like 175gr Sierra MatchKings from almost any quality maker.  You'll have to get a few different brands and see what works best.  Black Hills would be a good one to start with.  I have also had good luck with Fiocchi 175gr SMK load.

ILya
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