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I would like some opinions on which of these two calibers would be better for elk hunting in eastern Oregon, i am still trying to decide what to get for a dedicated elk rifle and these two calibers a very common and not to expensive for ammo since i don't reload.
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ive been to la grand a few times, and as i remember it, its more open country than the central and western part of the state... i would opt for a 7mag myself, but i have killed elk with the 30-06 in wyoming it works.
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i have never shot a 7mm, can you tell me what is a good factory ammo to get, i am sure that barnes ttsx is good but what grain should i get, it has to be factory loads since i do not hand load.
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i would find a good 150-160gr bullet and use that. the nosler accubond or partition would be a good place to start.federal makes both, i would start there.
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yeah any of those would be just fine.
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Hornady is comming out with a Superformance in 154gr Interbond, they should run about 3100fps. 
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Originally posted by lucytuma lucytuma wrote:

Hornady is comming out with a Superformance in 154gr Interbond, they should run about 3100fps. 
Thats probably going to be a tough one to beat!
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I shoot the 165gr Barnes VORTX, which is the TTSX bullet, out of my .300 win mag, and if you look at my range report, you can expect to see something like that in a group, depending on your rifle. My happens to be a 700 Sendero, but everyone on here/at work that I've talked to about those rounds have been extremely happy with them. That for me shot at 3120 fps. I'll agree with the guys, either caliber would do the trick just fine, with maybe the ballistic advantage to the 7mm mag, with its flatter trajectory. Neither should disappoint though.

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I shoot Hornady Lite-Mag 180 grain out of my 30.06 and it chronographs @ 2920 fps and it's sub 1-moa too.  Never really looked at a 7mm Mag.
 
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I use a 7mm for 90% of my hunting as it's a great round for NA. I don't reload, only use factory ammo, and have found a lot of great choices available out there. My round of choice for many years has been a Nosler Partition though I'd be open to any of the rounds you listed (and might add Nosler Accubond to the list). They all look like fine selections. Once you've decided on the rifle caliber, buy a box of your top two or three selections, go to the range see what your rifle likes best. Document and go from there.
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I personally like a .30 cal bullet better for elk, but a .284 pill will do just fine.  If this is specifically going to be an elk rig, I think you might want to consider a 300mag of your choice.
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I would even take a 7mm-08 over a 30-06 for elk. The ballistics on 7mm bullets are just that much better and less recoil. The elk ain't gonna quibble over .024" less diameter if you have that much more control over your shot placement. Now, if want to supercharge that bullet with some magnumocity that's up to you.
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Originally posted by jonoMT jonoMT wrote:

I would even take a 7mm-08 over a 30-06 for elk. The ballistics on 7mm bullets are just that much better and less recoil. The elk ain't gonna quibble over .024" less diameter if you have that much more control over your shot placement. Now, if want to supercharge that bullet with some magnumocity that's up to you.

i like to keel stuff extra dead.Bucky
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Have used 06 and 7x74 brenneke alot for larger animals, and if anyone can tell the difference on the elk's end --- thats more than I can do.
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Pyro has the K gene -- don't listen to him.
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Off the topic but include the 270 along with the 06 and brenneke. Its all about sectional density.
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Originally posted by dezmick dezmick wrote:

I would like some opinions on which of these two calibers would be better for elk hunting in eastern Oregon, i am still trying to decide what to get for a dedicated elk rifle and these two calibers a very common and not to expensive for ammo since i don't reload.
Again, because this is going to be a Dedicated elk rifle, I think it makes good sense to start at the 30cal magnums.  While a deer caliber like the 7-08 or 270 will work on elk, I think the true elk calibers start with the 30mags.

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Originally posted by Dale Clifford Dale Clifford wrote:

Pyro has the K gene -- don't listen to him.

whats that?Light It Up
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Ive killed several Elk with a 270, they were not all broadside either and thats before all these new bullets came out, (Barnes TTSX, Nosler Accubonds) ETC.... Ive killed one with a  300 Weatherby Mag as well.....All the shots were within 275 yards er so.
   I know longer have the 270 but I have a 7mm-08 that shoots a 140 gr. accubond at 2950 fps. . I would not hesitate taking any decent shot on a Elk under 350 yards. I also have a 7mm Mag Browning Bar that Ive killed a bunch of Deer with but I still would prefer the Sako 7-08 because its so much more accurate then any of my other rifles, including a 270wsm.....So my point is for me its all about accuracy, being able to put that bullet where I want to....Both the 30-06 and 7 mag are great calibers, I just really like the 284 though....Just as important for myself only is I have a plate in the back of my head so recoil or lack of it is a important factor. Most of my rifles are muzzlebraked.....So maybe there is something here that helps you choose which rifle, maybe not. Whatever you buy, I would get one that shoots 1 inch groups or better....
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Originally posted by Dogger Dogger wrote:

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true elk calibers start at 44 mag.
 
K is for the kill gene.
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30-06, 7mag, 7-08, 300 mags ...

It matters a whole lot more to the hunter than the hunted.  I shot my bull with my 300 Ultra this year, but only because that was what I had with me.  I had been carrying my 7-08 for most of the season.

There is something to the 300 mag/ Elk specific gun combo that is appealing.

The truth is any reasonably well constructed .270-and-up caliber bullet will dispatch elk at moderate ranges.  The only real advantage to the big magnums is they put out high ballistic coefficient bullets at high speed, extending range.

If you are looking for maximum point blank range, go for the 7 mag and a hard 140 grain pill (Accubond, TTSX, Interbond, etc.).


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Originally posted by Dale Clifford Dale Clifford wrote:

true elk calibers start at 44 mag.
 
K is for the kill gene.

i enjoy that part of hunting, its the hours of gutting dragging skinning and cutting meat i hate.Wink
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