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Having numerous close quarter and mid range rifles, I have been wanting to get a long range rifle for a few years now.  My family has a cattle ranch here in Texas and coyotes, wild pack dogs/hogs and other predators are abundant.  A 50 cal was of course tempting, but truly overkill. 

After a lot of reading around, I ordered an Armalite AR-30 300 Win Mag based on accuracy reports, caliber capability, company reputation and although not top priority, a very attractive price for the type of rifle.
 
I need help with choosing a great long range scope.  I don't mind paying more for the scope than the rifle, as the scope can be used on future rifles as well.   I own many short/mid range optics such as Eotech's with the magnifiers, Leupold Mark 4 CQ/T, etc. but am no expert on long range.  Here is what I would like and some more info:
  • Not too incredibly complicated to use.
  • Like the idea of the "click" adjustment knobs
  • Want to be able to hit a target in a wide range of distances (100yds - 1000yds?)
  • Not worried about weight or size as the rifle isn't made for travelling around with
  • Lighted reticle is a plus
  • Has to be durable
  • Has to be a looker Cool
  • Spending range - $1,000 - $2,000 range (somewhat flexible)

I have looked at the Barrett BORS system with much interest, but do not have much feedback from actual users as to it's effectiveness.  With the price tag, I would really need some great feedback to go for it.  Just seems that it would make for a quick learning curve.

Been mainly looking into Nightforce, Leupold and Zeiss but am open to the experts advice.
 
Thanks in advance for taking time to help!
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First lets see how user friendly we can make the scope: http://www.kentonindustries.com/
Any of the three scopes you mentioned can have kenton knobs on them. Given the rifle selected I think a tactical scope is the correct choice and I will list them in the order I would prefer First choice goes to
5217559973 New%20Zeiss%206-24x56%20Victory%20Diavari%2030mm%20Rifle%20Scope%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20 New Zeiss 6-24x56 Victory Diavari 30mm Rifle Scope
  • Matte
  • Illuminated Rapid 1000
  • 30mm
  • Side Focus
  • Target Knobs
  • LotuTec Protective Coating
SWFA: $2,199.95
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Second choice goes to Nightforce 5.5-22x56
Third choice goes to
LEU60075 Leupold%206.5-20x50%20Mark%204%20LR/T%2030mm%20Riflescope%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20 Leupold 6.5-20x50 Mark 4 LR/T 30mm Riflescope
  • Matte
  • Illuminated Tactical Milling Reticle
  • 30mm
  • Side Focus
  • M1 Target Knobs
  • Free Leupold Flip-Open Lens Covers
SWFA: $1,329.95
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If you could afford to spend more I would buy a U.S. Optics SN3 or a S&B  but they are spendy and unfortunately way out of my price range so I own a Leupold and am quite happy with it.
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This would work well also for shots 100-800 yards. The reticle would work out in 100 yard increments with 180 gr. Core lokt ammo at about 10x.  No illuminated reticle, but far less money also. I think it would be bright enough that you wouldn't need the IR.
 
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Zeiss, IR with RZ out to 1000 yards. Takes the guess work out simplifying things but it's $200.00 over your budget.

http://www.swfa.com/pc-9716-310-new-zeiss-6-24x56-victory-diavari-30mm-rifle-scope.aspx
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Thanks for the responses!  I feel pretty good since two of the three scopes "urimaginaryfrnd" listed were on my short list.  Maybe all that time researching and looking at feedback did pay off a little.
 
I have been looking at both the Leupold 6.5-20x50 Mark 4 LR/T 30mm Riflescope and the Nightforce 5.5-22x56 along with a couple of others from both brand names that have just a little difference in magnification.
 
I believe that at my current skill level (long distance) that any of the scopes listed here will be more than sufficient to accomplish what I want to do.  Leupold has run in my family for as long as I can remember, as I am sure it has with many of you guys out there, but I am not hesitant to change for a proven product.
 
Someone please answer me this:  Just how much better can say a Zeiss be over a Leupold or Nightforce that has the same magnification parameters?  I know it's a matter of personal opinion, but is a $2500-$3000 scope really worth the extra $750 - $1,000 over a similar spec'd Leupold, Nightforce or similar?  If so, HOW?
 
Thanks again for the responses, I truly do appreciate the expertise.  Used to be impossible to get this kind of feedback  in the pre-www.com era.  Even several years ago there wasn't anything organized like these forums - big thanks out to those who put in the time and effort to build and maintain this site!  THANKS
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Originally posted by sgunn911 sgunn911 wrote:

 
Someone please answer me this:  Just how much better can say a Zeiss be over a Leupold or Nightforce that has the same magnification parameters?  I know it's a matter of personal opinion, but is a $2500-$3000 scope really worth the extra $750 - $1,000 over a similar spec'd Leupold, Nightforce or similar?  If so, HOW?
 
 
Scott - You are really the only one that can answer this question!  When it comes to optics, you really get what you pay for, however, because of the law of diminishing returns, the changes you get at the high end are less noticeable and more costly!  You are talking about some of the finest scopes available - so congrats on that - I don't have any experience with these guys, but can offer a tip.  You should try your best to get to a retailer that will allow you to compare your tops choices side-by-side in different lighting scenarios.  Be prepared to really look for the small differences!  Then and only then you will be able to decide if the extra $$ are really worth it to you!
 
I'm a little surprised more folks haven't chimed in yet, hopefully you are not in too much of a hurry as this site could help narrow down your choices!
 
Good luck.
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I was a bit suprised bu the slow responses, but then figured that every day several people come to the site for the first time and post a "help me" question.  It probably gets pretty old for the guys who are generous enough to offer their time and knowledge.
 
As far as the scope goes, I will be purchasing it either this evening or tomorrow.  I am a patient person when it comes to buying things because I HATE paying for something of substantial value and not get want I want or need because I didn't do my homework.  I hate it because there is no one else to blame!
 
I would like it if Luepold offered the "Custom shop" services on the scopes mentioned here, I think that would have made the decision easier for me, but I think for what I need they still may be the best option.  I think it will be years before I work up to needing the features of anything more, and even then what I buy now will still be great for a second rifle.
 
Do you or antone have a suggestion for the mounting option?  I know there is a lot of standard rings and mounts out there, but I know there are some mounts out there that have caused a stir in the forums here!  Any special features or new designs that stand out from the crowd?
 
Thanks again for the help
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I've been out of town (killing God's little creatures).

My top suggestions would be IOR 3-18 (tactical gun, could use a tactical scope) or Nightforce 3-15 or 5.5-22.

In your price range, you will not be overly impressed with leupold (again, good scope, but there are better options) and the Conquest scope isn't as durable as a Texas cattle gun requires.

Another option is a used USO for about $2,000.


With the need to change ranges quickly, I like the EREK on USO and the large elevation turret on the IOR.

I shoot 100-1,000 yards and the large knob will keep you from getting lost on the dial.  The Nightforce with zero stop is almost as good.

For that rifle and your needs, IOR, Nightforce, S&B, or USO: anything else and you truly will not have what you need (or you'll pay too much for the Leupold you got.)

My $0.02.
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