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avery
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How do you determine the actual amount to turn the die out so that I can neck resize until my brass is fully fire formed? Do you have a method u use?
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sakomato
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Unfortunately no written in stone method will work because of the variations in dies and chambers
However I would
1. Raise the ram and screw the die in until it hits the shell holder
2. Lower the ram and unscrew the die (counterclockwise) ONE FULL TURN
3. Mark the case with magic marker from the belt up the case about 1/2 way with a line (don't color all the way around just a thick black line)
4. Size the case and see if it appears to have contacted the black line and take a measurement to see if the shoulder moved. The measurement is more important since the die could lightly contact the case body but without enough force to squeeze it
5. If there is no shoulder movement, adjust the die in 1/8 turn
6. Size the case and check for shoulder movement
Repeat steps 5 & 6 until the mark on the case is smudged and the measurement on the shoulder is larger
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300S&W
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Sako,
With that method do you have any idea of what percentage of the neck gets resized? And it does vary depending on the rifle chamber and fl die,right?
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budperm
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There Are Neck Onlyt resizing Dies available too. I have several Lee neck resizing Dies and neck crimping Dies...
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avery
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Has anyone ever had there seating die crush their brass? I have hornady.... did 5 and 2 were crushed... has never happened with my RCBS and 30-06... Seams really hard to seat I would say excessive force hence the crushed brass....
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About 3/4 Many reloaders normally resize this way, say it aligns the neck in the center of the chamber neck Sometime I do it with the Lee Collet by inserting a washer on top of the shell holder avery, if your FL die seating die is crushing the necks then it is possible you have it adjusted down too far and are crimping Bad idea |
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1. Did you chamfer the the case mouth, If not you should and you need to lightly lube the inside of the neck so the bullet will not bind.
2. Check the thickness of the neck. Some brands of brass are thicker than others. Saami specs are a range and not a dimension. |
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avery
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It was the norma brass never fired, I will turn the die out some more and make it up with the top adjestment and see it that makes things different. But I did 5 and 2 were crushed 3 of them seam ok.... But like I said all seamed to have excessive force as compared to my 30-06... I will also try lube but have never had to do that before in my long reloading History of 6 months :)
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avery
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Hope that works |
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sakomato
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Like 3_tens said, put a good chamfer on the case mouth. I have done the exact same thing as shown in your pics because the expander ball was overly hard to insert in the neck on the upstroke. Need lube on the expander and the inside of the neck Course eventually you will want to get rid of those expander type dies! |
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When I first started reloading one of the FL dies I bought was just barely in spec on the small size and my chamber, I found out, in spec on the high side. This equated to crushing a few fired casings until i figured it out. Called and talked to Lee (Die Maker) They were nice enough to accept for credit the small Die and hand select one closer to nominal..... No more problems after that..... until its time to anneal the casings again.
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Sorry if I'm miss spoke or I'm miss understand which Is quite possible but this happened when seating the bullet, I have removed the bullet Before I took the pick..... Or are you guys saying because of my full lenght die this is happening when I seat my bullet....
Also this case has a unspent primer in it can i just punch it out or will it go off? Is there a different type of die to you that has a different expander? |
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Thanks again for the help much appreciated!
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Then your seating die body is too far down. Back the die back up a full turn and then you can readjust the seating stem back down to the bullets. If the case in the pic has an unspent primer in it, throw the whole case away. Who cares if it has a live primer in it. It takes a very specific tool like a firing pin to get one to go off |
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budperm
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Sorry Avery it was my mis-understanding about when the crush happened.
I'm curious, do the bullets your using have boattails or flat bottoms?
If your having alot of resistance while seating bullets, it sounds to me like you've sized the neck down too much.
I will say that I almost always only neck size and only Full Length resize before anealing or if I don't dedicate the reloads to one specific gun and need to return the fired casings to SAAMi spec.
With neck only resizing you get the advantage of fire forming the casing to match your chamber. Bullet seating in neck sized casings doesn't take much force at all (I always chamfer the inside of neck). If your going to use the loads for hunting or have them in an environment with high vibration and impact shocks then in fact it is recommended that you also crimp the 'bullet to casing' interface to improve bullet retention.
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I'm just trying to fill in supply some additional info to help. I have to admit that I believe Bob (Sakomato) to be one of the top 3 reloaders on the OT and the Best at explaining and sharing that info in a way a simpleton (myself) can understand. Bob has really embraced the science of reloading...
I think he has a Flux Capacitor too!
So the moral of my story is take Bob's word over mine every day. I just hope I shine a little side light on your issue...
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(now he's just showin' off...)
Great info, Sako... your information and presentation are superb, Sir. Thank you... if I could come spend a couple weeks with you, I might take up reloading again.
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No! But I need one!
Feel like I want to Flux something today!
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budperm
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Careful don't want to get your wick dirty.... awfully hard to explain to teh spousal unit...
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