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so im trying to decide between these two, i have thought of some pros and cons for each some of them arent performance related, but are cost related which i factor into my choice.
 
300wby pros: brass is cheaper, .308 bullet selection is excellent
300wby cons: recoil is excessive compared to the .257, dies cost more, burns more powder.
 
.257wby pros: not much recoil, can let one of the boys use it if need be later in life.
.257wby cons: .257 bullet selection, brass cost more.
 
so these are just a few items to think about add any thoughts or pros/cons if you wish.
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Doesn't seem to me like you are gaining much over the 300WM by going to the wby for the extra powder used and the extra cost of brass.  Why not go with a 300 RUM or 300 Dakota if you want a 30 cal over the 300WM?
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the 300 rum 300 dakota 30-378 arent any fun to shoot, i agree that you dont really gain a whole lot with the 300wby over the 300win. the rifle looks cool is about it really
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I guess for me it would come down to what the gun will be used for primarilly.  If it is deer, then go with the 257.  You can down and elk with it if you want.  If you are hunting elk mostly, then I would say go with the 300.  Works great on all animals!
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white tail for the most part, i may shoot black bear here with it also, i could put in for montana or wyoming elk also but primarily whitetail.
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ive been thinking that, and its a chambering ive always wanted the only thing about the .257 is that really it wont do anything a .25-06 wont do too.
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so which uses more powder and which is more of a barrel burner?  Maybe you should get a 25-06.
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300 uses about 10-20gr more  the .257 is a barrel burner if you shoot it a lot and dont let it cool off. like any other grossly overbore case just gotta take your time shooting them.
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Recoil on the 300 Wby is very stout. Not alot of fun to shoot.
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

300 uses about 10-20gr more  the .257 is a barrel burner if you shoot it a lot and dont let it cool off. like any other grossly overbore case just gotta take your time shooting them.


I was thinking the powder burn between the 25-06 and 257.  I knew the 300 burns more.
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I was doing some recon to see how the ballistics compared on your two choices. I was wondering why you would choose the 300 wby over the 300 win mag until I saw that it's energy and velocity was some what higher. I came across a Chuck Hawks article where he was discussing what to expect when moving up to the medium and heavy hitters. As always his stuff is a good read and full of valuable info. I am really impressed with the win mag as it is very versital, accurate and the recoil is on the low end with factory loads. If the 300 wby can perform as well with out substancial gain in recoil then it may be the better choice. I'm not trying to advise, I was curious to see what you were looking at and found food for thought. Also found this and WOW! these things are way beyond what I had expected. I knew they hit hard at both ends but this is crazy! Loco 
 
Check it out!!    "From Chuck Hawk Article"
 
Here are some recoil figures for rifles of typical weight shooting full power loads: .416 Remington, 53 ft. lbs.; .416 Rigby, 58 ft. lbs.; .416 Weatherby, 83.5 ft. lbs.; .458 Win., 62 ft. lbs.; .458 Lott, 70 ft. lbs.; .460 Weatherby, 93 ft. lbs.; .470 N.E., 69 ft. lbs. These are not numbers that anyone can take lightly.

Be warned: very few hunters can do their best shooing with such rifles. I certainly can't, especially if a long string of shots is required. To shoot these big Berthas well you must be able to concentrate on the fundamentals of shooting under extremely adverse conditions of recoil and muzzle blast. This is practically impossible, even for most experienced shooters.

460 wby   93 ftlbs. you gotta be kiddin!!! That will make you forget you were about to be mauled by a lion. It might make you preferr it.
I can't imagine what that would feel like and i don't think I care to.
 
Any way good luck with your choice, I look forward to hearing what it is. Ofcourse you could make the best choice and go with a 270. We all would understand. I'm sure no one would even notice.
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

so im trying to decide between these two, i have thought of some pros and cons for each some of them arent performance related, but are cost related which i factor into my choice.
 
300wby pros: brass is cheaper, .308 bullet selection is excellent
300wby cons: recoil is excessive compared to the .257, dies cost more, burns more powder.
 
.257wby pros: not much recoil, can let one of the boys use it if need be later in life.
.257wby cons: .257 bullet selection, brass cost more.
 
so these are just a few items to think about add any thoughts or pros/cons if you wish.
...........................Didn`t you dump a 300 WSM because it had too much recoil?You think that a 300 Wby. will have less recoil, especially when using max. loads??...Laugh
 
You already have your CDL 264 Win Mag., so why think about  a 257 Wby?...Get%20Your%20Popcorn%20Ready
 
 
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Originally posted by Roy Finn Roy Finn wrote:

Recoil on the 300 Wby is very stout. Not alot of fun to shoot.
 
that rifle im looking at weighs 8lb without a scope or any accessories so its actually not to bad according to th recoil calculators
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Originally posted by Sgt. D Sgt. D wrote:

I was doing some recon to see how the ballistics compared on your two choices. I was wondering why you would choose the 300 wby over the 300 win mag until I saw that it's energy and velocity was some what higher. I came across a Chuck Hawks article where he was discussing what to expect when moving up to the medium and heavy hitters. As always his stuff is a good read and full of valuable info. I am really impressed with the win mag as it is very versital, accurate and the recoil is on the low end with factory loads. If the 300 wby can perform as well with out substancial gain in recoil then it may be the better choice. I'm not trying to advise, I was curious to see what you were looking at and found food for thought. Also found this and WOW! these things are way beyond what I had expected. I knew they hit hard at both ends but this is crazy! Loco 
 
Check it out!!    "From Chuck Hawk Article"
 
Here are some recoil figures for rifles of typical weight shooting full power loads: .416 Remington, 53 ft. lbs.; .416 Rigby, 58 ft. lbs.; .416 Weatherby, 83.5 ft. lbs.; .458 Win., 62 ft. lbs.; .458 Lott, 70 ft. lbs.; .460 Weatherby, 93 ft. lbs.; .470 N.E., 69 ft. lbs. These are not numbers that anyone can take lightly.

Be warned: very few hunters can do their best shooing with such rifles. I certainly can't, especially if a long string of shots is required. To shoot these big Berthas well you must be able to concentrate on the fundamentals of shooting under extremely adverse conditions of recoil and muzzle blast. This is practically impossible, even for most experienced shooters.

460 wby   93 ftlbs. you gotta be kiddin!!! That will make you forget you were about to be mauled by a lion. It might make you preferr it.
I can't imagine what that would feel like and i don't think I care to.
 
Any way good luck with your choice, I look forward to hearing what it is. Ofcourse you could make the best choice and go with a 270. We all would understand. I'm sure no one would even notice.
when talking about the 300 win, we were refering to the fact that i already own one now.
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Originally posted by Big Squeeze Big Squeeze wrote:

Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

so im trying to decide between these two, i have thought of some pros and cons for each some of them arent performance related, but are cost related which i factor into my choice.
 
300wby pros: brass is cheaper, .308 bullet selection is excellent
300wby cons: recoil is excessive compared to the .257, dies cost more, burns more powder.
 
.257wby pros: not much recoil, can let one of the boys use it if need be later in life.
.257wby cons: .257 bullet selection, brass cost more.
 
so these are just a few items to think about add any thoughts or pros/cons if you wish.
...........................Didn`t you dump a 300 WSM because it had too much recoil?You think that a 300 Wby. will have less recoil, especially when using max. loads??...Laugh
 
You already have your CDL 264 Win Mag., so why think about  a 257 Wby?...Get%20Your%20Popcorn%20Ready
 
 
its an 8lb rifle though that makes a lot of difference, my 300wsm only weighed 6.5lbs
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here you go wby on the left wsm on the right straight from the hornady manual max loads
 
 

Recoil and velocity calculator


< ="../s/recoil.js">

< name=the>
Load One
Bullet weight in grains < value=180>
Velocity in fps < value=3200>
Powder charge in grains < value=76.3>
Weight of firearm in lbs < value=8>
< =doMath = value=Calculate>
Recoil Impulse in (lbs sec) < value=3.91>
Velocity of recoiling firearm (fps) < value=15.74>
Free recoil energy in (ft/lbs) < value=30.76>
< name=loadTwo>
Load Two
< value=180>
< value=3000>
< value=71.3>
< value=6.5>
 
< value=3.66>
< value=18.14>
< value=33.20>

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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

here you go wby on the left wsm on the right straight from the hornady manual max loads
 
 

Recoil and velocity calculator


< ="../s/recoil.js">

< name=the>
Load One
Bullet weight in grains < value=180>
Velocity in fps < value=3200>
Powder charge in grains < value=76.3>
Weight of firearm in lbs < value=8>
< =doMath = value=Calculate>
Recoil Impulse in (lbs sec) < value=3.91>
Velocity of recoiling firearm (fps) < value=15.74>
Free recoil energy in (ft/lbs) < value=30.76>
< name=loadTwo>
Load Two
< value=180>
< value=3000>
< value=71.3>
< value=6.5>
 
< value=3.66>
< value=18.14>
< value=33.20>

 
 
 
 
If that is the max loads you have in mind then I see no benefit ove the 300 win mag. I thought you were planning some of this.
 
Ballistic performance
Bullet weight/type Velocity Energy
150 gr (9.7 g) SP 3,540 ft/s (1,080 m/s) 4,173 ft·lbf (5,658 J)
165 gr (10.7 g) SP 3,390 ft/s (1,030 m/s) 4,210 ft·lbf (5,710 J)
180 gr (12 g) BST 3,250 ft/s (990 m/s) 4,223 ft·lbf (5,726 J)
200 gr (13 g) Partition 3,060 ft/s (930 m/s) 4,158 ft·lbf (5,637 J)
220 gr (14 g) Rn-Ex 2,845 ft/s (867 m/s) 3,954 ft·lbf (5,361 J)
 
Since you already have a win mag maybe the 257 is the way to go. If you are wanting something new to work with. Or if loading cost may be a factor go with the 300 wby so you can make use of your 308 inventory. Then you could do some interesting side by side comparisons. I'm curious to know what will influence your decision.
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Wow---opened up that can of worms....I thought you had decided on the 257 ...seemed like what you were set on getting ...Go with your gut- pros and cons for both could drive ya nuts... What it  comes down to --which caliber were you originally thinking of when you decided to go for the Vanguard ? 9 out of 10 times , when you start to rethink it, you should stick with your original choice. ..........
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
( Or I could be wrong Loco)
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BTW--the 300 wby (have 3 plus a 300 Ultramag )  doesn't kick THAT bad ... kinda fun actually-- Use a limbsaver or decelerator pad ..In the field-you won't even notice
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well im pretty sure i will get the .257wby if the one on gun broker sells i will pursue an m700 lss .257wby if i cant get one of those i will buy a plain jane vanguard and buy a lam stock for it later.
 the 2 guns i was comparing was the .300wsm to the 300wby, and i didnt even use the stoutest load, powder wise for the wsm.
 
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Originally posted by martin3175 martin3175 wrote:

BTW--the 300 wby (have 3 plus a 300 Ultramag )  doesn't kick THAT bad ... kinda fun actually-- Use a limbsaver or decelerator pad ..In the field-you won't even notice
i put a limbsaver on my 300wsm when i had it and it did help, but that gun only weighed 6lbs and some change. the 300win i own weighs in at like 7lb and some change the extra 2" of barrel must add some weight.
the 300wby weighs in at 8lbs which would help and throw a limbsaver on it and i bet it wouldnt be any different than my 300 win. but i think the .257 is a better choice since ive wanted one for a long time and i think one of my boys could shoot it when they get old enough to hunt.
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