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Ok guys here is my deal I've fallen in love with shooting 300 magnums. I have a friend who books Canadian hunts for me at very reasonable prices. He also goes to Africa every other year himself to hunt plains game & a few leopards.
 
Anyways I want to up the game & get a 325 wsm or a Rem 300 Ultra Mag for deer, elk and maybe just maybe one day a trip to Africa for plains game or something exotic like a crocodile. I'm not interested in hunting hippos or cape buffalo. So a 338 or 375 is not in the cards for me. I like the 300 RUM because its 3 guns in 1. But I like the 325 because ease of finding ammo & seems like more gun makers produce the 325.
 
I've narrowed it down to either a Remington 700, Browning A bolt or a Nosler.
 
Any thoughts and recomendations? BTW thanks for the info on the Cooper vs Sako thread.
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Given those to cartridges I would probably choose, umm,ummm, not sure. Both are going to be really expensive to shoot. If you get into reloading I would choose the rum, because of a wider selection of good bullets. But even then, 90 to 100gr of powder a pop is kinda spendy to. I shoot a 300 WSM, and would feel very comfortable in the situations you describe.
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I tend to think it is the wrong choice to say that the 338 Win Mag or the 375 H&H would not be right for you.  First off lets consider that one day you are prancing across the African Savana with your 300 RUM stalking a Zebra that you know you can smack down with it and lo and behold you encounter any one of several seriously dangerous animals perhaps the Cape Buffalo which you really did not intend to hunt but all of a sudden find that it is about to stomp your ass into cheta snacks.  Might be a dandy time to have a 375 H&H or at least a 338 WM as we wont likely talk you into a 416 Rigby or a 458Lott, and  the 338 Wm retains significant energy at long range making it the rifle of choice in Alaska where while hunting elk one might encounter a unhappy bear or moose.  There is a saying :  BRING ENOUGH GUN  Ying Yang
 
Yes there on the bank of the river hunting the elusive crocodile when you find behind you Lardzilla the Hippo with fire in his eyes.  Yup thats when I really want a 300 RUM Loco
 
Consider for a moment that Tikka makes a T3  338 wm same price as the other calibers.


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The .325WSM you're considering essentially duplicates .338 Win performance.  What one will do, the other will do.
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I'd also consider the 338 over the 325, just about every gun manufacturer chambers for the 338.  There is also a greater range of both ammo and bullets in the 338.  As far as worrying about dangerous game bearing down on you, thats what your PH is for.
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I'm still confused. Decisions decisions. Thanks for the input. I'd be willing to hear more.
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If I were going to Africa on a standard plains game hunt, where I could only bring only one rifle, that rifle  more than likely would be a 30-06 with 180gr bullets.
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I don't own a .300 mag, but..........
 
 
 
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I shoot a 300 RUM, and absolutely love it.  It is easy to load for, and shoots well.  If I ever hunt plains game in Africa, I am taking the 300 RUM.

It does burn up a lot of powder, and brass ain't cheap.

The 325 is a sensible, efficient cartridge.  I think I will add one to the safe someday.

A 338 Win would be fine also.

A 375 is a bit big for your primary deer and elk uses.

338 Win ammo and components are widely available.

With the 300 RUM and 325 WSM, it is best to handload, IMO.
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Originally posted by lucytuma lucytuma wrote:

If I were going to Africa on a standard plains game hunt, where I could only bring only one rifle, that rifle  more than likely would be a 30-06 with 180gr bullets.
 
The 300 rum is 3 guns in one with the power level ammunition. Level 1 is 30.06, level 2 is 300.300wsm & level III hurls 200 grain A frames at 3032 fps.
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Originally posted by Obi Wan Kenobi Obi Wan Kenobi wrote:

Originally posted by lucytuma lucytuma wrote:

If I were going to Africa on a standard plains game hunt, where I could only bring only one rifle, that rifle  more than likely would be a 30-06 with 180gr bullets.
 
The 300 rum is 3 guns in one with the power level ammunition. Level 1 is 30.06, level 2 is 300.300wsm & level III hurls 200 grain A frames at 3032 fps.
 
Those are impressive figures and the RUM has been known as three guns in one. I think the .300 would be a fine choice.
Though you didn't bring up the H&H, I have a .375. I have never seen a need for me to get a .338, let alone a .325. If I was going to go medium bore, I would opt for the H&H. It is very versatile.
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Originally posted by Bitterroot Bulls Bitterroot Bulls wrote:

I shoot a 300 RUM, and absolutely love it.  It is easy to load for, and shoots well.  If I ever hunt plains game in Africa, I am taking the 300 RUM.

It does burn up a lot of powder, and brass ain't cheap.

The 325 is a sensible, efficient cartridge.  I think I will add one to the safe someday.

A 338 Win would be fine also.

A 375 is a bit big for your primary deer and elk uses.

338 Win ammo and components are widely available.

With the 300 RUM and 325 WSM, it is best to handload, IMO.

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I have both a 300 RUM and a 338 Win Mag ( and 300 wby's plus a 300 WSM ) ... I'd definitely pass on the 325 WSM ... 300 RUM does hit hard, but the extra mass of a 338 would be worth while insurance if overseas or after bigger domestic game, plus is readily available ...
That being said ..of the three 300 mag's , I'd choose a 300 Wby ( wide load selection, easily found , and is essentially a ballistic twin to the RUM ), with a 300 WSM a close second ( efficient round )..
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As soon as I read it, Pyro I knew what your post was going to say!!!   Roll on Floor Laughing
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Originally posted by Bitterroot Bulls Bitterroot Bulls wrote:

I shoot a 300 RUM, and absolutely love it.  It is easy to load for, and shoots well.  If I ever hunt plains game in Africa, I am taking the 300 RUM.

It does burn up a lot of powder, and brass ain't cheap.

The 325 is a sensible, efficient cartridge.  I think I will add one to the safe someday.

A 338 Win would be fine also.

A 375 is a bit big for your primary deer and elk uses.

338 Win ammo and components are widely available.

With the 300 RUM and 325 WSM, it is best to handload, IMO.
 
Totally disagree.  What is "too big" about it?  I use a .458 Lott... well, when I'm not using .458 WinMag, which works pretty well, BTW.  I've found no serious degradation in killing power with the .458WinMag vs the Lott in whitetail hunting. 
My .375H&H hasn't gone hunting with me yet, but it seems a bit "squeamish"...  Probably makes a good squirrel gun.  Just kidding there... I'm sure it will do fine as a whitetail/elk gun.  I like the ballistics of the .375 and my target shooting with it, so far, has lived up to my expectations.  I'm taking it hog hunting with me soon and will report back on the results.  I hope I don't regret carrying such a light caliber hog hunting... Kidding again... I've dropped pretty big hogs with one shot with .220 Swift.  Shot placement is far more important than caliber. 
 
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i would put the meat damage of my H&H up against anything smaller and i would bet it wouldnt even be close, .375 diam hole going in and .375 diam hole going out. my .300wby destroys meat.i wouldnt hesitate to take my H&H after any game animal.


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The big bores certainly can be used for medium game. I prefer a lighter gun and caliber for those species. No offense to the Howitzer hunters out there.

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I fully agree, Hunter.  With the Lott and the .458 WinMag, there just ISN'T any meat damage to speak of.  Far greater amounts of bloodshot meat with my 30-06, 7mmRemMag, etc.  The wound channel with the Lott is straight through and often just sucks all the insides out in passing.  I'm expecting pretty much the same type of result from the .375.  The more I shoot it, the better I like it. 
It is a little "tame" for my tastes, though...
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

my .300wby destroys meat.
Maybe you should look into loading a different bullet? I've not had that problem yet except with Berger's. (They made a BIG hole) With my bullets I get a caliber sized entrance, and about a quarter size exit, and no bloodshot meat. I would think the same could be achieved with a 200 gr. Barnes TTSX.
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Originally posted by trigger29 trigger29 wrote:

Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

my .300wby destroys meat.
Maybe you should look into loading a different bullet? I've not had that problem yet except with Berger's. (They made a BIG hole) With my bullets I get a caliber sized entrance, and about a quarter size exit, and no bloodshot meat. I would think the same could be achieved with a 200 gr. Barnes TTSX.

i like using my sierras, nothing ive ever shot with them lived to tell about it. i cant argue with that, even if it ruin a little meat here and there. im not real concerned to be honest.
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Originally posted by Obi Wan Kenobi Obi Wan Kenobi wrote:

Originally posted by lucytuma lucytuma wrote:

If I were going to Africa on a standard plains game hunt, where I could only bring only one rifle, that rifle  more than likely would be a 30-06 with 180gr bullets.
 
The 300 rum is 3 guns in one with the power level ammunition. Level 1 is 30.06, level 2 is 300.300wsm & level III hurls 200 grain A frames at 3032 fps.
 
Yea Right Laugh Above  and what might be the problem with one rifle shooting three different cartridges that have RADICALLY DIFFERENT TRAJECTORY -  HMMM  what could go wrong there the cartridges all look alike which one did I put in where do I hold Loco.   You are far better off to find one load you like and use it for everything. If you want a lighter cartridge buy another rifle. There is nothing super special about the 300 RUM I can take any .308 or 30-06 or 300WM or 300 WSM and kill the same animal so for a few hundred feet per second more and the opportunity to burn up barrels faster I say save twenty bucks a bag of brass.
 
The .375 H&H is a cartridge that is available world wide and the 338 WM is close behing. The brass is twenty dollars a bag cheaper than RUM brass and good luck finding RUM ammo in remote places.
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I hate to be the one to say it, but I feel like there is one important variable that has been mostly ignored thus far in this thread...how well the OP can shoot these different cartridges. Not to offend anyone, but I am of the moderate caliber, moderate speed, excellent shot placement crowd and for ungulates like whitetails, elk, and most african plains game I simply don't see any need for the BIG BOOMER magnum calibers. If someone shoots a .375 H&H as well as they shoot a .30-06 then by all means bring the extra firepower, but I think the reality is that MOST people, especially those such as myself who have very little experience with the large magnums probably do not shoot them nearly as well as the calibers we are more familiar and comfortable with.

All the power in the world is useless if you miss your target. If your intended quarry does not require a large magnum to be cleanly and efficiently taken, then I would think a large magnum would not be the ideal choice. Obviously, if you own or want to own a large magnum and are comfortable shooting it well, then by all means take it hunting for whatever pleases you, the extra insurance may well come in handy if you happen upon a bear or lion etc. But for my typical whitetail or elk hunting excursion, I would think a .300 Win Mag would be at the absolute maximum end of what I would feel the need to carry. For the same reasons most people opt against a .454 Casull for daily self defense (against human predators), I feel that a .458 win mag or the like might be a bit of overkill and could be a serious hindrance if the OP is not comfortable shooting the caliber enough in practice to become proficient with the firearm. Also, if you are not reloading, practice with these large magnums can seriously break the bank.
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i know you would be very surprised if you shot my H&H. the gun and scope weigh 10-6 you add 5 loaded rounds of ammo and you gotta be damn close to 11#'s. ive shot 12 gauges that were worse than my H&H is. ive got a mcgowan barrel on mine and it shoots moa all day long.
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