New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - 30 378
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login

Check GunBroker.com for SWFA's No Reserve and No Minimum bid firearm auctions.

30 378

 Post Reply Post Reply   Topic Search Topic Search  Topic Options Topic Options
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/20/2009 at 22:02
30 378 View Drop Down
Optics GrassHopper
Optics GrassHopper
Avatar

Joined: December/20/2009
Location: brandon
Status: Offline
Points: 3
Looking for some in sight on this new gun i just orderd  H S precision 30 378 for plinking  way out there 500 to 1000 yards  ? what would the best bullet be to shoot for elk ( berger ) when not burning powder at paper .. and  the grain ?   and also thinking of 6x 24 zeiss ?
 
Thanks for the help
 
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/20/2009 at 22:38
sakomato View Drop Down
Optics Master
Optics Master
Avatar

Joined: February/28/2008
Location: Houston
Status: Offline
Points: 1085
Welcome to the OT
 
I would definitely try the 200 gr Accubond.  With a ballistic coefficient of .588 it will be great for long range shooting and hunting.
 
What dies are you going to use?
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/21/2009 at 07:21
30 378 View Drop Down
Optics GrassHopper
Optics GrassHopper
Avatar

Joined: December/20/2009
Location: brandon
Status: Offline
Points: 3
rcbs ? or something like that .... is there a better one ? not berger for bullet ?
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/21/2009 at 20:23
sakomato View Drop Down
Optics Master
Optics Master
Avatar

Joined: February/28/2008
Location: Houston
Status: Offline
Points: 1085
I have 2 friends who have the 30-378's and I am just waiting for them to shoot up their $125.00 a box ammo so they will have the brass to reload.  My deal is they buy the dies, bullets, brass, primers and powder and I will reload for them.
 
In preparation I bought a set of Forster Benchrest 2 die set
 
 
Forster makes good seating dies that support the case body when seating and keep it in line.  That was the determining factor to me.
 
Normally I like to get a Lee Collet Neck Sizer and Redding Body Die combination but these are not available in that caliber.  Second choice has always been a Redding Bushing  type die but these work best with outside neck turning and that is too laborious for me on someone else's rifle.  So the Forster set will get it done.  RCBS will also get it done, so it is up to you.
 
The 200 gr Accubond is the bullet I will be loading for them for 2 reasons:  both are hunters primarily and the Accubond is a hunting bullet AND the Accubond's I have loaded have been very accurate.  The Berger VLD's (hunting type) get some good press and some bad.  John Barsness who posts here likes them and that is a big plus.  He likes them because they penetrate 2" before blowing up.  I have read other threads where the complaint was penciling through and others where the complaint was no exit.  I have no experience with them.  The 190 gr has a ballistic coefficient of .564 and the 210 gr a BC of .62, so there is not that much of a difference from the 200 gr Accubond with a .588.
 
Scopes?  I would put a Zeiss Conquest 4.5x14x50 RapidZ 800 (matter of fact I recommended this scope to one of the 30-378 owners and he got and I installed it).  With the 200 gr Accubond at 3050 fps, the RapidZ 800 shows to be on at about 13 power and with the 180 gr TTSX at 3275 fps then you can use the reticle at it's max power of 14.  That's pretty close.
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/21/2009 at 21:33
okc4956 View Drop Down
Optics Apprentice
Optics Apprentice
Avatar

Joined: October/13/2009
Location: Oklahoma City
Status: Offline
Points: 125
Friend of mine with a Weatherby 30-378 swears by the Barnes TSX bullets. I know of two elk he's killed with them at +-250yds. He routinely practices at 600-700yds for fun with that rifle. Don't know any MOA info. He has an older Swaro scope on it. 6 x 24 or something similar I think.
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/21/2009 at 21:34
okc4956 View Drop Down
Optics Apprentice
Optics Apprentice
Avatar

Joined: October/13/2009
Location: Oklahoma City
Status: Offline
Points: 125
180 gr TSX btw.
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/22/2009 at 23:19
30 378 View Drop Down
Optics GrassHopper
Optics GrassHopper
Avatar

Joined: December/20/2009
Location: brandon
Status: Offline
Points: 3
Thanks for the help !! looking for best bullet wait , still have time to change twist  ordered 1 and 13 but  that was for 168 to 180 Ideal the gun builder says   ! but for the long range stuff it is looking like i have to go
with more lead !  200 maybe 210 . i was thinking with that scope 6x24x 56 ziess ?
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/23/2009 at 05:44
sakomato View Drop Down
Optics Master
Optics Master
Avatar

Joined: February/28/2008
Location: Houston
Status: Offline
Points: 1085
Well let's look at ballistics for the 3 bullet weights
 
bullet / muzzle velocity / 600 yd energy / 600 yd drop / 600 yd wind drift
 
200 gr Accubond / 3100 fps / 2185 fpe / -55.30" / 18.72"
180 gr Accubond / 3250 fps / 1954 fpe / -52.52" / 20.90"
165 gr Accubond / 3350 fps / 1816 fpe / -50.34" / 21.67"
 
the sectional density of the 200 gr bullet of .301 as compared to the sectional density of the 165 gr bullet of .248 will make a big difference in the penetration also.  One common thread in most all bullet failure stories is one of excessive velocity, bullets can do squirrelly things when you have close impact at above 3100 fps.
 
If your gunsmith recommended you shoot 168 gr bullets in a 30-378, get a new gunsmith.  If he only answered your question about what is the best twist for a 168 gr bullet then he is correct.  If he ever recommends shooting a 150 gr bullet, run don't walk away.
 
The 6x24x56 Zeiss scope is of course an excellent scope, but friggin huge!  And expensive since you can only get it in a Diavari.  The field of view is down to 18' and the weight is over 28 ounces.  If you are only going to sit in a stand and shoot over 300 yards then you would be OK, but let something come running by at 50 yards and try to find it in that scope!  Try to get on target on a monochromatic background at 200 yards, you'd need a set of open sights on top of the scope to find the target.
 
By contrast a 4.5x14x44 Zeiss Conquest weighs in around 17 ounces, has a field of view of 25' and will give you a better cheek weld since it can be mounted in much lower mounts (not even talking about $1,000.00 cheaper).
 
Sorry to be so opinionated but I reload for over 40 rifles and have seen them all. 


Edited by sakomato - December/23/2009 at 05:46
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/23/2009 at 05:45
trigger29 View Drop Down
Optics Master Extraordinaire
Optics Master Extraordinaire
Avatar
X = 180 Y = 90 (X+Pyro)+(Y-Pyro) = ?

Joined: September/29/2007
Location: South Dakota
Status: Offline
Points: 4294
If I wanted to shoot longer ranges, I'd order a faster twist. Something like a 1 in 10". In my opinion, all that powder capacity is going to waste just to shoot 168gr bullets. I would shoot 190 gr. or higher. The 200 accubond would serve you well for elk. The berger may too, depending on what you want out of a bullet. I just took a whitetail at 388 with a 185gr. berger at 3050 fps. I got about a silver dollar sized exit. I would guess an exit would be far less likely on an elk though.
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/23/2009 at 08:13
pyro6999 View Drop Down
Optics Retard
Optics Retard
Avatar
OT TITAN

Joined: December/22/2006
Location: North Dakota
Status: Offline
Points: 22024
yeah trigger 1:10 is exactly what he needs for the heavier stuff good call!
 Post Reply Post Reply
  Share Topic   

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Similar Threads: "30 378"
Subject Author Forum Replies Last Post
Scope For A .30-378?! bmbp47 Rifle Scopes 11 7/14/2005 9:05:12 AM
sako m995, 30-378 thethirdpig Rifle Scopes 11
Suggested bases/ring for TRG-S Sako 30-378 Fotis Rings and bases 19
1975 winchester 30/30 637mase Firearms 5
Marlin 30-30 FS SPF SVT_Tactical Firearms For Sale 0
30/30 reScope Bboy623 Rifle Scopes 23
Burris 30 V. Bushnell 6.5(30) rogn Rifle Scopes 8
30/30 Scope help Bboy623 Rifle Scopes 15
Marlin (rem) Lever in 30-30 or 35 rem JLud Firearms 10
Marlin 30-30 Leupold 4x33 or Bushnell elite 2-7x3 DAVE44 Rifle Scopes 3


This page was generated in 0.375 seconds.