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Hey guys...been a little while. I'm wanting to rescope my Marlin 30/30. She has a 3-9x40 Bushnell Trophy that has served well for 15 years or so.
But it's time and I want better glass for better low light performance.
What scopes do you recommend? I'd like to stay around $200. 
I was thinking about Redfields, Burris Fullfield II, Nikon Prostaff, maybe a Nikon Buckmaster.

I'd like to have a simple BDC reticle as i want to use the Hornady Leverevolution that can reach out to 300 yards +, but I need a 100 yard sight in as where I currently hunt most shots will be close....like 40-50 yards!

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Yea, I've looked at the Redfields but personally don't like their Accurange reticle. Looks too busy for me.
The Burris, Vortex, and Nikon's ballistic reticle are cleaner in my opinion.


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Having used several scopes in that price range the Burris FFII's are the winner by far imo. The only Nikons I have at this moment are 2 Monarchs, and honestly the FFII has better glass, but the Monarch has nicer turrets that you can reset to zero. I also prefer the Burris reticle quite a bit.

I've also never owned a new Redfield, but I've looked through them, and I've had several Leupold VX-I's that are supposed to be similar, and the FFII blows them away. The glass is quite a bit better, the turrets are huge improvment over the friction adjustments on the VX-I (although this might not be an issue with the click adjustments on the Redfield), and the FFII's have been a lot more durable for me.

I don't enough experience with that Vortex to comment on it.


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Thanks Slowr1der for your reply.
I have a Nikon Omega Muzzleloading scope on my smokepole and I must say that I am really impressed with it. I thought I read somewhere that it has the same glass as the Monarchs. But you are saying the Burris FFII has better glass than the Monarchs?? WoW!
I wonder how it compares to a Vortex Viper. I have one (4-12x40) on my 30-06..just haven't had the time to get it sighted in yet.

I'm also trying to decide on staying with the 3-9x40 like I have or maybe going down to a 2-7x32. 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't having a larger exit pupil let more light in and would be a better low light scope?? But having a larger bell also lets more light in.


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Originally posted by Bboy623 Bboy623 wrote:

Yea, I've looked at the Redfields but personally don't like their Accurange reticle. Looks too busy for me.
The Burris, Vortex, and Nikon's ballistic reticle are cleaner in my opinion.


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Unless you are wanting to dial in ranges, the reticle you need will have to allot for some sort of holdover, the redfield glass is fair, i had a 3-9 for a little while.  Not the best but was clear enough for the price.  a dirty 30 round here won't be used for long shots, you know that.  I have a 336 30-30 too and after trying many scopes I've decided for what I use it for, woods with max shots being 100yds if that, a red dot like the burris fastfire would fit better, so Thats what I will be getting for it sooner than later to try out.
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I'd suggest looking at Vortex Diamondback 3-9x40 or 2-7x35.  These are probably my favourite "$200 and less scopes".

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  Here's some ballistic info,G.  What's his BDC options IF any.
 
  This is for the 160gr as although the 140gr has bit more velocity the bc is lower making the 160gr better.
 
  Velocity is 2287fps.
    A 100yd zero puts it -24.7" at 300yds.
 
    A +3" 100yd sight in puts it -12.1" at 300yds. 
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Originally posted by 300S&W 300S&W wrote:

 
  Here's some ballistic info,G.  What's his BDC options IF any.
 
  This is for the 160gr as although the 140gr has bit more velocity the bc is lower making the 160gr better.
 
  Velocity is 2287fps.
    A 100yd zero puts it -24.7" at 300yds.
 
    A +3" 100yd sight in puts it -12.1" at 300yds. 

It sounds like the third dot of the Vortex BDC reticle will work fine at 300yards with a 100 yard zero or the second dot with a +3" zero.

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Which would be a better fit? The 2-7 or 3-9??

And is the Vortex Diamondback BETTER than a Burris Fullfield II??

Thanks for all the help guys.

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  Diamondback 1st with the FFII a close 2nd.
 
 
  As far as which Diamondback is the better fit I like 2-7 scopes on carbine style rifles.  I have one on my Mauser carbine and my SIL has one on his Marlin GG.  For the close up shots your talking that you may encounter take a look at the diff in fov specs of the two Diamondbacks at their lowest X.
 
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I agree, anything over 32mm just looks out of place on a lever gun IMO.
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Thanks everyone.

I kinda like the look of my 3-9x40 Bushnell that's on my Marlin 336 30/30 now. To me it doesn't look too big, it looks just right. I guess that's just a personal preference.

I would like to know the following and then I think I can make the best Educated decision for my purchase:

How does the Vortex Diamondback compare to the Nikon Buckmaster and the Sightron SII??
I understand that the Sightron is $50 more. I might squeeze an extra $50 if it's really worth it, other wise I'm seriously considering the Vortex.

Did Koshkin do a review of the Buckmaster?? It's only like $20 more than the Vortex on SWFA.


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2-7x35 would work real well on that tirty tirty 
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Originally posted by Bboy623 Bboy623 wrote:

Thanks Slowr1der for your reply.
I have a Nikon Omega Muzzleloading scope on my smokepole and I must say that I am really impressed with it. I thought I read somewhere that it has the same glass as the Monarchs. But you are saying the Burris FFII has better glass than the Monarchs?? WoW!
I wonder how it compares to a Vortex Viper. I have one (4-12x40) on my 30-06..just haven't had the time to get it sighted in yet.

I'm also trying to decide on staying with the 3-9x40 like I have or maybe going down to a 2-7x32. 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't having a larger exit pupil let more light in and would be a better low light scope?? But having a larger bell also lets more light in.


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From some reason I get a lot of chromatic aberration with the Monarch, and I did this with the Prostaff too. If I'm shooting in the snow it's horrible, if it's not snow out it's not too bad, but I do still see it the edges of white targets. That's my biggest issue with teh glass on the Monarch, but I realize every ones eyes are different. To be fair I see this issue with other scopes too. It's also pretty evident to me with the SWFA SS 3-9x42 I have, but it's not evident in the Burris at all to me, or the Bushnell Elite scopes, or many others including some cheaper Simmons and Tasco's I've used. Really the Nikons and the SS are the only two scopes I've noticed this in.

The other place the Burris really shines is in dusk/dawn situations. I find it's glass to be better in low light, although both are good enough that they will get me to the end of legal shooting hours just fine.

Overall, I think the Burris is a better scope, but it's really close, because while I like the glass better, the Nikon also has some things I like about it better like the magnification ring not being made into the eye piece (Burris did fix this on their new E1, but I haven't tried it yet), the zero resetable turrets, etc. Overall, they are both nice scopes and I think you will do well with either, I just prefer the Burris.

That said, I don't have any experience with the Buckmaster other than looking through it in the store. The only Nikons I've used have been a Prostaff and the Monarch, and they both served me well.
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Originally posted by coyote95 coyote95 wrote:

2-7x35 would work real well on that tirty tirty 

Yea..I think I MAY be leaning that way if I go with a Vortex Diamondback.

I want to know what the experts (Koshkin /300) have to say about how  the Buckmaster and Sightron SII compare.

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  Me an expert?!  That's DEFINITELY Koshkin's territory.  LOL
  I've got two Sightrons (S1 and SII) and can say I'm more than satisfied with them.  It's been too long since I've looked thru a Buckmaster to give an opinion but the ones I looked thru were decent scopes so with the newer glass and coatings they should be better. But I think your leaning the right way towards that 2-7x35 Diamondback.  I like the wider field of view of it at its lowest X compared to the others in case of close up (say under 30yds) shots and 7x is plenty of magnification for shoots farther than most people should take.
 
   2-7x35 Diamondback is 64.3ft at 100yds on 2x.
   3-9x40 Buckmaster is 35.7ft at 100yds on 3x
   3-9x42 SII is 34ft at 100yds on 3x.
   3-9x40 Diamondback is 44.6ft at 100yds on 3x.


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How much better is the Viper over the Diamondback in the Vortex line??

I probably should have jumped on a 2-7 Viper when I had the chance! I'm kicking myself!!!

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Koshkin----can you advise how the Diamondback stacks up against the Buckmaster and Sightron SII?

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Guys, I need some help quick.

I have found where I can get a Bushnell 4200 Elite 3-9x40 for $150!!!!!!!

How does the 4200 compare to the Diamondback??

The Diamondback has 30+ more feet field of view and the BDC reticle I was wanting....but I know the 4200 has gotten steller reviews!


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Well I jumped on the deal on the Bushnell Elite 4200 3-9x40!


Thanks for all the help guys.

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  IMHO you made the best choice.
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I picked up one of those Elites as well for that price.  Didnt really need it, but had a bunch of points sitting around.  Was gonna build up enough for Conquest but thought for that price, I can live without the Zeiss.
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