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I recently bought a Zeiss Conquest 3 x 9 for my Steyr Pro Hunter .308.  I have yet to mount it and have almost talked myself into trading it in for a 4.5 x 14.  I have never had anything but a 3 x 9.  I hunt mostly whitetail deer in the Southeast.  Most of my shots are under 300 yards.  However, I'm thinking that if I can afford it, why not upgrade.  Any thoughts?
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I don't look at 4.5-14x as an upgrade over 3-9X for deer hunting.  It's not the upper end magnification that I view as the problem, even though 14X is way more magnification than you will ever need for deer hunting.  I want no more than 4X on the low end for times when I'm hunting thick cover in order to maximize field of view.  In fact, I would rather have 1.5X, 2X or 2.5x on the low end, but 3X is fine.  I'd stick with the 3-9X.  To my way of thinking,  1.5-6X, 2-7X, 3-9X, and 2.5-10X cover the ideal magnification ranges for any and all deer hunting anywhere, with the first 2 for typical "woods" hunting, the second 2 for more open country.

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Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

I don't look at 4.5-14x as an upgrade over 3-9X for deer hunting.  It's not the upper end magnification that I view as the problem, even though 14X is way more magnification than you will ever need for deer hunting.  I want no more than 4X on the low end for times when I'm hunting thick cover in order to maximize field of view.  In fact, I would rather have 1.5X, 2X or 2.5x on the low end, but 3X is fine.  I'd stick with the 3-9X.  To my way of thinking,  1.5-6X, 2-7X, 3-9X, and 2.5-10X cover the ideal magnification ranges for any and all deer hunting anywhere, with the first 2 for typical "woods" hunting, the second 2 for more open country.
 
As usual, Ted is spot on. A high quality 1.5-6X, 2-7X, 3-9X, or 2.5-10X will cover any deer hunting situation I can think of. It is far better to skew toward the low end than high.
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Thanks for the input.  I was thinking in low light at 250 yards the extra magnification would help in deciding whether or not I'm looking at a shooter.  I have passed on big deer late because I can't count the points or measure the spread (club rules).
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Your Zeiss will give you very good contrast and resolution for your shots. You should have no problems seeing small obstructions or the beasts head gear.
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Originally posted by klbell klbell wrote:

Thanks for the input.  I was thinking in low light at 250 yards the extra magnification would help in deciding whether or not I'm looking at a shooter.  I have passed on big deer late because I can't count the points or measure the spread (club rules).
 
In truly low light to such a degree that your existing Conquest becomes useless, you usually won't even be able to discern your target well enough at 250 yards to make an ethical shot anyway.
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Originally posted by klbell klbell wrote:

I recently bought a Zeiss Conquest 3 x 9 for my Steyr Pro Hunter .308.  I have yet to mount it and have almost talked myself into trading it in for a 4.5 x 14.  I have never had anything but a 3 x 9.  I hunt mostly whitetail deer in the Southeast.  Most of my shots are under 300 yards.  However, I'm thinking that if I can afford it, why not upgrade.  Any thoughts?
.................................................All shots at under 300 yards? Upgrade? Stick with the 3x9!!!.................A 4.5x14 power is for long range open plains hunting and/or long range target/varmit shooting. Even users of such powers when hunting, almost never go above 6x to 8x anyway! Your .308 is not what I would call, a flat shooting 400-500 yard or greater deer hunting cartridge. It`s no 257 Wby. or 7mm mag. Also, for closer shots, should they present themselves, the 4.5x on the low end reduces your FOV. Therefore, a 4.5x14 powered variable on your .308 for your use, would be over-scoping that rifle! 
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For the money you have one of the best damn scopes on the market.  If you have the 40mm version and then would go to the 50mm version there may be a some smaller low light benefits.  Simply changing the magnification would not get you what you want. 

 
If you were huntin' over the plains maybe.  I don't see the 4.5-14 being usefull until you are varmit or plains shooting.  If shooting a lot at a distance over 400 yards then,  it start to be more pratical in terms of field of view.
 
The thing to remember is that scope makers sell a lot of scopes.  The key word is sell.  Selling is not a bad thing, it helps me make a living.  They carve out a niche and then try and fill it for you.  We see a lot people get free hunts ect to tell you how great that product is and how they did not know they needed it before.  Some of that is very true. Some of it is pure bs.
 
I make out a mission statment before I buy equiptment.  That way I stay focused on what I buy.  It helps avoid deals I don't need and "franken guns".
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good points, silver - ted is dead on the money.
 
3x9 is all need.
 
good luck.
 
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Thanks for the replies.  It is a 50mm.

My old scope is an early 90s Leupold Vari X-III that is 3.5 x 10.
 
Do you think the new Zeiss 3 x 9 is a step up?
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Last year I bought a 3x9x40 Zeiss Conquest after recommendations from the good people on this board. Two deer have been killed with it so far. The first was at daylight a good 175 yard shot. The second was a real nice 150 plus buck at the last legal shooting time at 150yds. The ZEISS CONQUEST made this possible. I agree with the rest its all you will need for what you want........
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now THAT's a good testimonial, medic!!
 
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Originally posted by klbell klbell wrote:

Thanks for the replies.  It is a 50mm.

My old scope is an early 90s Leupold Vari X-III that is 3.5 x 10.
 
Do you think the new Zeiss 3 x 9 is a step up?
 
I have the 50mm 3.5x10 VariX-III and the Zeiss is definitely a step up. I am comparing it to the 40mm Zeiss, though.
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Keep the 3-9 and save the money you were going to use on the "upgrade" to 4.5-14 and upgrade to a nice set of Bino's.   Bino's are much better suited for counting points and seeing more detail than scopes.
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Originally posted by klbell klbell wrote:

Thanks for the replies.  It is a 50mm.

My old scope is an early 90s Leupold Vari X-III that is 3.5 x 10.
 
Do you think the new Zeiss 3 x 9 is a step up?
 
 
uhh............yes!!  You're now up the entire flight of stairs!  Big%20Grin   
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Stick with a 3-9x.  If it gets too dark for that scope tow work, seeing the deer is going to be the least of your problems.  It'll be so dark, you'll have a hard time making out where your feet are.

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