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I am looking at getting a new rifle for hunting deer in eastern Oregon, i already own a 7mm WSM that i will be using for elk, and just wanted something else that would be for deer size game only, i am thinking either the 270 win with 130 grn bullets, or the 7mm 08 with 140 grn bullets both in either Nosler AB/BT, any suggestions as to which one you would go with. Thanks
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If I already had a 7mm WSM I would get a 7mm-08.
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7-08 vote from me

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is that so you could use the same bullets for either gun?

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7mm08 because you can load the same bullets if you ever reload. Or you could go with a 280 Rem which would be like a 7mm on a 30-06 case.   I tend to have the best luck with reloading .308 based cases like the 7mm08.  7mm08 is a pretty versitile round.    .243 might also be a consideration if you want something that could double as a varmit gun the light bullets will vaporize small varmits and the 100 gr is quite adequate for deer.   Dam  just buy one of each you owe it to yourself.
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i do reload, just started and have already worked up some loads for my 7mm WSM using 160 grn AB and 150 grn TTSX, i also have one box of 140grn AB, that i could use to start working up loads for a 7mm 08, i am pretty sure that is what rout i am going to go with the only ? i have is what 140 grn bullet to use, TTSX, Accubond, or Nosler Ballistic Tip
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In my world, 7mm08 will always win.  There is no justification for a .270 to exist.  Just because one guy liked it is no excuse for it to have gained such popularity.  It is serviceable, but not desirable.  No matter how many people use it...
The shooting world would be better off without it...
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would i be better off going with a 300 wsm and using it for elk, and using my 7mm wsm for deer with say 140 grn AB,BT, or TTSX.
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Your 7mm wsm is great for both elk and deer. The .300 and .270 are both very close to the 7mm so if it were me I'd pick something that's different, maybe lighter and with less recoil like the 7mm-08 (or 25.06, .243, etc.). You can always go the other way and get a canon like KB.   Big Smile




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that is exactly what i was thinking that i wanted, i am sure that i will be going with the 7mm 08 and using 140 grn loads, if i decided to not get another rifle should i set up two different loads for the 7mm wsm, like 140 grn AB, for deer and 160 grn AB for elk, or just go with 150 grn TTSX and use it for both?
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Just about any 140gr+ high penetration round in you 7mm will work on elk. They are not armored, when it comes down to it, bullet placement is the most important factor. The same could be said for the 7-08 too! Both are very interesting cartridges. Both are good choices for your intended use. And there is some overlap in there in case one rifle is down, for whatever reason.
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No question for me.
 
7-08. 
 
Period.
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Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

In my world, 7mm08 will always win.  There is no justification for a .270 to exist.  Just because one guy liked it is no excuse for it to have gained such popularity.  It is serviceable, but not desirable.  No matter how many people use it...
The shooting world would be better off without it...

I like my 270.

Was I the one guy you were talking about?
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since this is somewhat pertinent to this topic, i'd like to ask for some clarification... first i'll state my understanding of the differences, and then ask those more informed and with more experience to elaborate :)

270 winchester is a 30.06 case necked down to accept a .277cal bullet.

the 7mm-08 is a .308 win case necked down to accept a .284cal bullet

the .308 is a 30 cal bullet developed to offer 30.06ish performance in a shorter, more compact cartridge.

the .270 has a case capacity of 66 grains of water and the 7mm-08 has a case capacity between 55-56 grains of water

typical 270 bullets are 130, 140 and 150 grain, with 130's around 3200fps being the sweet spot

typical 7mm bullets are 140, 150, 160, 175, and i think i've read on here of people loading 180s?

Obviously the 7mm is a slightly larger bullet with a 7 thousandth of an inch larger diameter than the .270, and thus the bullets can be heavier.  However since the .270 has a larger case and more capacity than the 7mm-08, wouldn't it have more potential for loading "hotter" and getting a better trajectory?

It seems to me the major difference between these 2 cartridges is the round they were based on and the fact one is long action and the other is short.
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Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

In my world, 7mm08 will always win.  There is no justification for a .270 to exist.  Just because one guy liked it is no excuse for it to have gained such popularity.  It is serviceable, but not desirable.  No matter how many people use it...
The shooting world would be better off without it...

I like my 270.

Was I the one guy you were talking about?


assuming he means Jack O'Connor... also assuming you were being serious :p

I don't quite get the disdain for the cartridge either, it's been around forever and killed almost as many animals as the plague.
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I vote for the 270.  I love mine.  Something different from what you have.  Easy to find ammo if you don't reload or forget to take ammo with you.  Easy to reload for as well.  Great performer with the 130 or 140 (my preference) bullets.  Great deer, antelope rifle, and if you happen upon that elk while deer hunting, it will do the job on elk as well.
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Originally posted by Dyelynn Dyelynn wrote:

Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

In my world, 7mm08 will always win.  There is no justification for a .270 to exist.  Just because one guy liked it is no excuse for it to have gained such popularity.  It is serviceable, but not desirable.  No matter how many people use it...
The shooting world would be better off without it...

I like my 270.

Was I the one guy you were talking about?


assuming he means Jack O'Connor... also assuming you were being serious :p

I don't quite get the disdain for the cartridge either, it's been around forever and killed almost as many animals as the plague.

I was not.

And I too like my 270, it has killed everything I've shot at with it.
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.270 is about as useful as a binocular...
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Dan, I am curious to understand how you are defining "useless."  I have singularly proven its use, my rifle has killed more than a few critters.  If, by "useless", you mean some other caliber could have killed those same critters dead-er, we could discuss that; if you mean some other caliber can do what the 270 can do, but better, we can discuss that too.

To have any manner of intelligent conversation, we need to agree on a few points.

Are we evaluating on the basis of inherent accuracy, or availability of ammo, or recoil, or bullet selection, or effective range, or action usability (long vs. sort), or some other attribute altogether?

Admittedly, my 270 is not my favorite rifle; but it is quite good at doing a few things.

As an anecdote: a good friend likes to let me shoot things, then - as they lay dying - he shoots it with something much smaller and calls it his kill.  (The 270 in question punched through both lungs of a sow a few years back, she stood by a bush, blood gusting from her sucking chest wounds, and he walked up and popped her in the head with a 9mm and declared her "his pig.")

We were hunting at the end of 2009, he shot a small pig with a 30-06 and the round hit the back of the pig's head, just above the spine, causing paralysis of the back legs, but the front legs worked just fine.  After a bit, I walked up to the pig and shot it again in the head with my trusty 270 (declaring it "my pig.")  My shot somehow rewired that pig, because now the front legs didn't work, but the back legs went to work on un-assing his AO (military term.)

So, in my experience, 270s repair paralyzed back legs, but wreaked holy havoc on front legs and brain housing groups (and lungs.)

270s do some things well and others not so well; the same can be said for every caliber I own.
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Get Your Popcorn Ready  I like your anecdotes RC
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If you didn't reload I'd say .270 just for ease of finding ammo. As for killing power, I watched as a friend of mine new to hunting fumbled around, got his glove stuck in his bipod, etc. and still managed to make a kill shot on the biggest mule deer buck I've ever been around - 200+ yards up a 20 deg. slope. So I guess it works.

If you consider recoil with hunting bullets, given Nosler's bullet specs and loads you'd pretty much have a wash. According to Bryan Litz' Applied Ballistics, the more exact match weight-wise between 150 gr. Sierra Game Kings would give the nod to the .270 since the G7 BC is 8% higher for the .270. That means you could load lighter (usually more accurate anyway), saving on recoil and barrel wear. Personally, I'd run the Accubonds in 140 gr. out of the .270 and look at a powder like RL15.
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Originally posted by SVT_Tactical SVT_Tactical wrote:

Get Your Popcorn Ready  I like your anecdotes RC


Excellent
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Ive owned a 270 in Win. Featherweight and I really liked that rifle. It killed ALOT of Deer and a couple Cows and 1 Bull Elk, so everything I ever shot at with it died. One cow I shot twice, Im sure she would have went down but I did not want her traveling any further from the truck so I shot her again an inch away from the first lung shot, she then just dropped..
 So I ended up losing that 270 and bought a Kimber 270wsm , its a fancy pants Super America, I sand blasted it and had it Ceracoated Flat Black, Its a purdy Rifle to say the least,, another story..
 
Since then Ive had several major surgeries and I cannot handle much recoil, never had really liked being kicked much  anyway......So a few of the guys on OT suggested I buy a 7-08 when I asked a question similar to yours...
 
I bought a Sako Finnlight, all stainless with a  20" barrel, shoots 140 grain AB's fairly well and I will be trying some 120's as soon as my Synthetic Classic Style Stock is finished being built by Wayne York...Even though I really enjoyed my 270's both of em, I will never buy another.. I just love this Sako 7 08,, I have a bunch more rifles since .. The 7 08 is my favorite, it has mild recoil , its very light weight and fits me well, I love the short barrel.. The Sako action is very smooth, Im tempted and very well may just buy another....IMO the 7mm-08 wil do anything the standard 270 will...
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Okay, my 2 cents!   162 gr Amax. .625 BC.   162 gr SST .550 BC.
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Edited:   Failed to mention.   Caliber 7mm.

So. +1 for the 7mm-08

Edited by Steelbenz - May/23/2011 at 18:03
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