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im looking to buy a new deer rifle! i am considering a 270 or 243! what is the recoil compaired to the .308 for each rifle! and what are is the knock down power of each?
 
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Originally posted by bigpapa4045 bigpapa4045 wrote:

im looking to buy a new deer rifle! i am considering a 270 or 243! what is the recoil compaired to the .308 for each rifle! and what are is the knock down power of each?
 
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.................Between the two, I`d go with the 270.
 
You have better versatility from varmits to moose with the 270, that you don`t have with the 243, which should really stop at game no larger than the deer.
 
The 270 is a better longe range deer round. Ballistically in the down range depts, the 270 has a flatter trajectory, with better BC`s, for better down range energy and stopping power.
 
You may only hunt deer, but you have many more game options with a 270, where the 243 should not go.
 
Recoil for the 270 Win or the WSM is manageable. If one can handle the `06, it shouldn`t be any problem with a 270.
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Originally posted by bigpapa4045 bigpapa4045 wrote:

im looking to buy a new deer rifle! i am considering a 270 or 243! what is the recoil compaired to the .308 for each rifle! and what are is the knock down power of each?
 
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neither, buy a .280 rem you will get better bang that way, 7mm's higher b.c and s.d means better down range performance and heavier bullets to choose from and  the recoil of the .280 really isnt any different than that of a .270
 
 
the .260rem is another choice if you like .308 based cases, like the 7mm the 6.5mm's posses even higher s.d and b.c for even better performance
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7mm-08 would be a great choice as well.  Moderate recoil and good performance.

If I were to choose between the two you listed I would get the .243, it is a great round.
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The 243 has enough knockdown power for most whitetails, save the Canadian brutes. Recoil wise, the 270 is pretty much the same as the 308. The 243 is considerably less. You can get a more compact rife with the 243, mostly because of the short action. What the others have stated so far is true. The 270 would be more versatile if you ever plan to hunt something bigger than whitetails or game at longer ranges than normally found while hunting whitetails. Personally, I like the 280 over the 270, but they are practically interchangeable in the field.

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My vote goes to the 270.  As stated, you can hunt anything from varmints to moose with it.  If you have a light gun, you might notice the recoil more, but it shouldn't be too bad.
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I have a Thompson Center Encore in 270. and I dont like much recoil either. That 270. doesnt kick too bad at all. Also, the 130 gr. kick noticably less to me than the 150 gr. bullets in that gun. I am currently trying to decide on a new whitetail rifle. I want a TC Icon in short action with that new hogue covere stock but in only comes in 243., 308., 22-250 and 30 tc. I Will probably get a 308. but I wanted it in 7mm-08.
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.243 your on the east coast.  The extra range of the .270 is a liablity for you.  Even the rual areas are more crowded than people think. The .260 or a .257 Roberts would be good for your area.  Don't worry about a high magnfication scope, but get some extra resolution.
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Silver - have to comment on your premise that the .243 is somehow more "safe" than the .270 because the .270 has more "range".......  You have to be just as concerned about what's behind your target with a .243 as you are with the .270!!
 
Bigpapa - can you add some info as to why its down to those two rounds?  There is quite a bit of difference in those two rounds.  I have two sons, 14 & 12, the 14 year old shoots a .243 and the other will be using his brand new .270.  I started the 14 off with the .243 in a BAR because he is a little more sensative to recoil than his younger brother (although we intend to use the "reduced recoil" rounds for the first few years in the .270).  I shot a couple of deer with the .243 and was not impressed with its performance!  I much more perfer a bullet over 100 grns for Nebraska Whitetails.   Between the two, I would highly recommend the .270.  But if you are open to other choices, I would recommend the .260 as mentioned before..... it will have similar knock down power as the .270 but similar recoil as the .243!  A win win situation.  The only negative to the .260 is that it isn't available in very many rifles.  The 7mm-08 would be my next choice as its very close to the .260 and is more available!
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It's like this, many places on the east coast are looking at limiting high power rifle use in some manner.  I'll use PA as an example.  They are kicking and screaming in a debate to go to slug guns because of the population density.  The whole "traditional" rifle thing is a middle ground.  Some counties may end up resticted on caliber and/or cartidge.  It gets stranger still, now that PA has case law that say's "The land owner is responceable for any round fired in addition to the person who fired the round."   That comes from a case where a person was hunting in small orchard.  They shot at a deer and missed.  The round hit a mother unloading groceries from a minivan half a mile a way and killed her.  The court ruled that the land owner was 10 percent negligent for letting the guy on the place.
 
Yes, you are correct in saying you must know what is being your target.  Yet coming from a place where the state trees is fence post, or so the "tee" shirt says you may not have correct vision of thier hunting area.  You may not have a clear view for a mile behind the target.  All that extra range is not your friend. If you are only going to use 200 yards which do you want; A bullet that goes 4000 yards or almost 6000 yards? Do you want over an extra mile of liablity?
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Curious as to why only looking at a 243 or 270 ? You mentioned the recoil comparison to a 308 ...Why not use a 308 then ?
if given only the 243 or 270-I'd go 270 .. heavier rounds available for what could be a  200lb or better critter, and neither kicks enough to worry about.
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As to the question: the 270 will flip a deer upside down and  he'll come down like a sausage-hot dog stand in an old Popeye cartoon.  The 243 will work, too, but why mess with that?  A 270 is a really nice rifle to shoot....lighter kick than an 06 and a 308. 
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The biggest deer I ever shot in the states ran like he wasn't even hit. That was after he took a 165 gr, Ballistic Tip from a 06 at no more than 40 feet. Point being I didn't need anything bigger or more powerful. Sometimes they drop on the spot, sometimes they run a short distance and pile up. A well placed bullet from a sufficient cartridge will kill whitetails, they are not bulletproof, although sometimes they act as if....
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Originally posted by Ed Connelly Ed Connelly wrote:

As to the question: the 270 will flip a deer upside down and  he'll come down like a sausage-hot dog stand in an old Popeye cartoon.  The 243 will work, too, but why mess with that?  A 270 is a really nice rifle to shoot....lighter kick than an 06 and a 308. 


The kick will depend on the weight of the gun, the bullet, and the powder charge.  My 270 kicks harder than some 06s I have shot.
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Originally posted by helo18 helo18 wrote:

Originally posted by Ed Connelly Ed Connelly wrote:

As to the question: the 270 will flip a deer upside down and  he'll come down like a sausage-hot dog stand in an old Popeye cartoon.  The 243 will work, too, but why mess with that?  A 270 is a really nice rifle to shoot....lighter kick than an 06 and a 308. 


The kick will depend on the weight of the gun, the bullet, and the powder charge.  My 270 kicks harder than some 06s I have shot.
my bro in laws abolt .270 is like that also
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Why not buy both? I am sure your firearms dealer would agree totally. Then you never need to argue with yourself if you have the right cartridge.
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I've never been a fan of the .243 family,  I think they're a little "lite" for big game.  My vote would be for the .270, sorry Pyro.
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Originally posted by lucytuma lucytuma wrote:

I've never been a fan of the .243 family,  I think they're a little "lite" for big game.  My vote would be for the .270, sorry Pyro.
you dont need to apologize to me,  im fine with it if he wants a .270 he can have it, i hope he buys three or four of them so there is 3-4 less on the market!
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

Originally posted by lucytuma lucytuma wrote:

I've never been a fan of the .243 family,  I think they're a little "lite" for big game.  My vote would be for the .270, sorry Pyro.
you dont need to apologize to me,  im fine with it if he wants a .270 he can have it, i hope he buys three or four of them so there is 3-4 less on the market!


Laugh%20Above  Come on Pyro, when is the anti 270 fight.  Although, I have to say, I like the 270
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I have not had a deer get away from my 243 ,700, but I have not shot at one over 100 yards. I know the round is better than that but I just dont trust it. I would go with something in the middle like the 7mm-08 if recoil is an issue. Bullets are not as easy to find as the 270 or 243 but they are getting better. I have seen a few deer shot with a 243 that did not leave a blood trail even with the deer 40 yards away. Yeah, I know it could happen with a bigger caliber, but it tends to happen less.

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If you are going to shoot lots of groundhogs and a few deer, go with the .243.  If you are going to shoot other big game, or a number of deer, the .270 is probably a better choice (as are quite a few other calibers).

You ought to have complete confidence in both the rifle and the round, when you are shooting at big game.  Anything else is a disservice to the game and to yourself.

Recoil is very specific to the individual.  The fit of the firearm has a lot to do with it.  If you have friends or a shooting club where people will let you try a few shots, you should try several different rifles and calibers before making the purchase. 
 
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A .243 is plenty good for any deer.  I don't know how many deer my dad and I have killed with .243s.  We have killed 5 elk with them, all of them 1 shot kills except 1 which was a double tap to the chest.  I am not saying it is the best choice for elk, but it does the job just fine.  For deer it is an excellent round.
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Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

A .243 is plenty good for any deer.  I don't know how many deer my dad and I have killed with .243s.  We have killed 5 elk with them, all of them 1 shot kills except 1 which was a double tap to the chest.  I am not saying it is the best choice for elk, but it does the job just fine.  For deer it is an excellent round.
 
i know a guy that hunts only with a .243 elk deer antelope, and my mother in law killed moose with a .243. and i agree its not the best choice but proper placement on a closer shot it does work.
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If I HAD to choose between .270 and .243, I would take the .243. I still can't find a reason to own a .270, and I have tried.
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