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well i shot a bunch of 120gr ballistic tips and a group of 130gr accubonds, here is the best group i shot out of it today. ( probably the best group ever from that rifle) rangemaster mike told me his measurement was 5/8". im on the fence with the group, it will hunt i guess. the accubonds won today.


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i wish i was a good shooter, i need somebody who knows what the hell they are doing to properly teach me how to shoot of a bench. i just wing it.


thanks for the boost of confidence mark.Embarrased
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You using a bipod or bags??
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 Bow

 

Distance?

Wind?
Temp?
Altitude?
Velocity?
Load?
OAL?
 
 
Like the honest target displayed. Sharp Shooter
 
Doesn't look like you are leaning in which is good?
 
Forearm grip white knuckling or smooth and steady guide lay light support?
 
No sling grip or noticeable left or 9'o clock pull? Sharp Shooter
 
Pushing your palm up and holding tight will group right.No No
 
Maybe try cross arm front rested sand bag shooting bag, coat, or bi-pod
some like the understock left reverse cue stick approach.
 
 
Decent article.
Hopefully it helps a little.
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Love the inegrity of the group.
 
ExcellentExcellentExcellent
 
 
 
 


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Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

You using a bipod or bags??

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Originally posted by 338LAPUASLAP 338LAPUASLAP wrote:

 Bow

 

Distance?

Wind?
Temp?
Altitude?
Velocity?
Load?
OAL?
 
 
Like the honest target displayed. Sharp Shooter
 
Doesn't look like you are leaning in which is good?
 
Forearm grip white knuckling or smooth and steady guide lay light support?
 
No sling grip or noticeable left or 9'o clock pull? Sharp Shooter
 
Pushing your palm up and holding tight will group right.No No
 
Maybe try cross arm front rested sand bag shooting bag, coat, or bi-pod
some like the understock left reverse cue stick approach.
 
 
Decent article.
Hopefully it helps a little.
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Love the inegrity of the group.
 
ExcellentExcellentExcellent
 
 
 
 

there are actually a couple of groups in there, the one that is circled is the best group i shot today. i think there are 3 separate groups on that target. im leaning in plenty, the lead sled makes the length of pull so long a scope like my 4200 elite is hard to use on 9x. i dont touch the forearm when i shoot from the bench, i let it do what its going to do, fighting it to me seems counter-productive. ( i may be way wrong on that theory)

as far as conditions,
distance-100yds
temp-50 something
altitude-1450ft
velocity- above book max 3200+fps
load-65gr of h-4831 130gr nosler accubond
oal-3.27
 
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5/8" is a bad group from a factory rifle?
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Originally posted by helo18 helo18 wrote:

5/8" is a bad group from a factory rifle?

well here is my .300wby target.
http://www.opticstalk.com/300wby-finally_topic25325.html

i know im probably too picky, but i have a lot of confidence in my reloading ability. like my friend said, unless you go to a heavier contoured barrel built by shilen or lilja etc. you wont get a better group unless a lot of luck is involved. im going to use that load and see what she can do, maybe i will get to shoot it at something this season.
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I hear you there.  I have some guns that will print groups like your 300 wby.  And others that no matter how I fuss with the loads it won't.  I am still working on my 300 WM to get it to that point.  I know my 270 will do it.

But honestly, 5/8" isn't bad for hunting.
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now its on to my 22-250Say What
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Just curious how to measure though, Do you go from center to center? I have come to really like my Lead Sled as well...Its the DFT
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5/8 in. is good to go!  +1 on the lead sled.  I have the original version and sure takes the pain out of developing loads for the 300 rum.
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I've found I'm much more accurate from my bipod prone than off the lead sled. Just seems there is too much play in the sled, and I feel much more stable on the ground.
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I agree with you trigger.  I like the bipod the best with a sand bag under the back.
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Originally posted by Bitterroot Bulls Bitterroot Bulls wrote:

5/8 in. is good to go!  +1 on the lead sled.  I have the original version and sure takes the pain out of developing loads for the 300 rum.

mine is the original as well, two bags of shot and away i go, i wish it didnt change the length of pull like it does, but then it probably wouldnt work . i could shoot my .375H&H all day if i wanted too.
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

i wish i was a good shooter, i need somebody who knows what the hell they are doing to properly teach me how to shoot of a bench. i just wing it.


thanks for the boost of confidence mark.Embarrased
1.  One of the most important things to do before you start shooting is to get you, the rifle, the support device (lead slead, rifle rest and so on...) and the bench all aligned up with each other.  Generally speaking, for every .008" of movement at the muzzle is 1 MOA down range.  That isn't a heck of a lot.  Try to keep that in mind if you're fighting your position and if you're fighting your position, you won't get off the most optimum shot, each-time, every-time.
 
2.  When your squeezing the round you need to keep track of your head postion and the proper sight alignment.  If that is off it can cause things that may-not look pretty on the target.  
 
3.  In addition to the above, when squeezing the trigger take note if you're squeezing the whole hand (milking the cow).  If you're doing that, it will induce movement (remamber .008" / 1 MOA).  It takes practice but you only want to try and move the trigger finger.
 
4.  Adding more to the pile, take note of the rifle cant.  For group testing, it needs to be the same, every time.
 
Thers's more but these are some of the basics
 
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i think consistency is the biggest issue for me, making sure im aiming in the same spot, that im positioned in the same manner as the shot before etc. i havent figured out a way to do that yet.
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The lead sled makes that much tougher for me. That's why I bypass it for all out group shooting.
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

i think consistency is the biggest issue for me, making sure im aiming in the same spot, that im positioned in the same manner as the shot before etc. i havent figured out a way to do that yet.
 
It's not as easy as it looks.  I use a Caldwell BR shooting rest with the rear bag designated for it.  It's pretty heavy and sturdy.  One of the nice features it has is I can use the rear leveling bolt to fine tune the elevation.
 
When I load test I "NEVER" aim for the dead center of the target.  It's always a little high (or low) left (or right).  This is done so I don't disrupt the aiming point.  Because I do this, I have to be ever present of scope cant.  To solve that, I align the scope with either the top or the side of the target board.  If its not perfect, so what.  I'm load testing, not sighting in.  Anyway this helps assure me  that my sight picture is consistent.  
 
I do all of my testing @ 200 yards.  Make sure, what ever you're using as a target is big enough to see and without fighting eye strain.
 
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i use a super small target spot and try to shoot on 3x to make the "aim small miss small" setup. it works some what.
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I use to do that.  I got tired of the eye strain.  Now-a-days, I use those 3" orange birchwood round target dots (with the black diamond in the center).  It's not perfect but it does the ok for me, although, on a bright day with some mirage something else would be better.  Actually, I believe black & white (squares) would be better.
 
Anyway, with the larger target it's easier on the eyes and (for me) it points out how well I'm I'm on target.  With a small target, I wouldn't be able to do that.
 
If I were to test @ 100 yds, I would probably drop down to a 2" target. 
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hmm i have a variety of sizes, i may have to try that next time, never looked at it that way but you are correct, the center diamond on my biggest target spot is smaller than my smallest target spot is.
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