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You know, my Dad had a pre 64 winchester 70 in the 264 westerner and that sucker was wild to watch him shoot right at dusk. Even with the 26" barrel it would shoot out a big orange cloud of unburned gas. He took it to BC on a sheep hunt in 1964 and shot a grizzly with it with factory 140gr powerpoints. Bear run off like nothing happened, next day the wrangler at camp shot the same bear with a 300wea. and when they went to skin it the hide was full of melted lead all stuck in the long hair at his shoulder. Almost NO damage to the inner hide at all, wow good case for a bullet with a little integrity huh? Bet a barnes or an A Frame would have made a hole into the vitals.....he never had any confidence in that gun after that, traded it off and got a 300 weatherby. Bet that gun would be worth a pretty penny now, and they say technology hasn't changed things for the better....

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yeah it would hav been worth a lot
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 That's a great story, Focus! In 1993 one of my cousins shot a pronghorn about six times with factory Power Points in a .30-06. I don't know how far away he was from the critter or what the bullet weight was,  I think 150 grains.  Each bullet blew a saucer-sized wound about an inch deep. On a PRONGHORN!!

 I don't know what year they were manufactured but I think the new ones are a different bullet entirely.

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Originally posted by Focus Focus wrote:

You know, my Dad had a pre 64 winchester 70 in the 264 westerner and that sucker was wild to watch him shoot right at dusk. Even with the 26" barrel it would shoot out a big orange cloud of unburned gas. He took it to BC on a sheep hunt in 1964 and shot a grizzly with it with factory 140gr powerpoints. Bear run off like nothing happened, next day the wrangler at camp shot the same bear with a 300wea. and when they went to skin it the hide was full of melted lead all stuck in the long hair at his shoulder. Almost NO damage to the inner hide at all, wow good case for a bullet with a little integrity huh? Bet a barnes or an A Frame would have made a hole into the vitals.....he never had any confidence in that gun after that, traded it off and got a 300 weatherby. Bet that gun would be worth a pretty penny now, and they say technology hasn't changed things for the better....

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a real bullet out of that rifle would have killed that bear in its tracks
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Yea I agree, course back in them days my Dad didn't reload and there wasn't very much available for the 264 but the winchesters in power point and silver tip if I remember. He pretty much wrote off a great gun in a great caliber because of poor bullet design and performance. I think it was at about that time that John Nosler experienced bullet failure on a moose and he went home and designed the now famous parition bullet. Barnes - swift - bitterroot - bear claw - fail safes....wern't even a gleam in the bullet designers eyes yet....
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the problem was that the bullets he was shooting wasnt designed to go as fast as it was and hit something that hard(bear)  but yeah your right at that point in time thats what he had to use
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Yeah there wasn't anything much available that would handle the new for then velocity of the 264. As I remember he had to order the factory ammo as nobody was even stocking it yet. They weren't really the good old days in all aspects I guess. We pretty much take good bullet designs for granted these days and argue about which is better, back than they would have been thrilled with any of the current crop.

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I shoot a 7-08 and like it alot.  I'm also in receipt of an Encore barrel from MGM in 260.  It will have a 1:9" twist and should be really sweet with bullets up to 140 gr.  I plan on using 120-130 gr TSX bullets.  Everyone I have talked to that use these bullets rave on their killing ability.  I'm hoping to get my barrel in by year-end and I'm really anxious to get it scoped and at the bench.  I can see it becoming my standard caliber.
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yeah no joke, although from a factory ammo stand point the .264 still only gets a single 140gr load from rem and win, thank god for reloading
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any ways back to the .260 and 7-08 if you wanna be able to load for a lot of different bullet weights its hard to deny that the 7mm is a bigger variety for sure over the 6.5

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oh yeah and kimber also chambers the .260
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Sounds like we think a lot alike OK hunter, I have heard a lot of good reports about the barnes bullets, seems the accuracy and fouling issues are behind them and the new bullets are doing quite well in hunting chats all over the net. They talked me into the 1 in 8 twist with the 260, I use 1 in 9 in the 7mm-08. Let us know how you like the 260 when you get it. Thats provided you aren't like me and have to wait till the snow depths subside to be able to do any shooting.

I'm looking at the paritions and accubonds for the 260 but won't rule out the barnes bullets at all. I want to make use of that penetration and I always lean towards the stout constructed bullets because of bone shots.

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Pyro, I feel the bullet variety is pretty good for the 260's, only place I see an advantage with the 7mm is with the 175's for moose size critters. But like said already, I would not feel undergunned with 140's in the 260 for moose or black bears. My hunting buddy used a 140 on his moose this past fall, one shot and down it went. All thats left is the wicked drag....

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Originally posted by OK hunter OK hunter wrote:

I shoot a 7-08 and like it alot.  I'm also in receipt of an Encore barrel from MGM in 260.  It will have a 1:9" twist and should be really sweet with bullets up to 140 gr.  I plan on using 120-130 gr TSX bullets.  Everyone I have talked to that use these bullets rave on their killing ability.  I'm hoping to get my barrel in by year-end and I'm really anxious to get it scoped and at the bench.  I can see it becoming my standard caliber.
check our thread about the tsx not working


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    Good news all you model 700/.260 fans!  The 2008 limited edition model 700 (walnut, stainless fluted barrel ) will be chambered in .260 Rem.YippeeYippeeYippee  Bricat
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For the question concerning the Lothar-Walther barrel.
My Father-in-law built a Win 88 in .260 with a Lothar-Walther barrel.It is great. The inside diameter is a little tighter than most makes, and it took some experimenting to find just the right load, but WOW what it likes , it groups well, and the rig as a whole is different than most.
 
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Now that is a rare one. An 88 in .260 is very interesting.
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If you like that, you may like my 10-yr-old son's 88 I had done in 250-3000 with a douglas barrel, or, the 88 I had made for myself in 6.5x.284 !Big%20SmileThunbs%20Up
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Excellent, it is nice to see someone doing custom work with those guns.
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Originally posted by HuntMaster HuntMaster wrote:

If you like that, you may like my 10-yr-old son's 88 I had done in 250-3000 with a douglas barrel, or, the 88 I had made for myself in 6.5x.284 !Big%20SmileThunbs%20Up
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old school thats nice! got some picts?
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Gotta love those 6.5mm I find it amazing that it hasn't caugt on with Military applications, especially considering the capabilities, ballistically speaking that is. I do wonder if or when the Military will consider this cartridge.
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they have the 6.8 spc that remington currently chambers has been tested quite a bit by the feds lately
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I'm not up to speed on that chambering, How well does it stack up to the 6.5? Why the 6.8 I wonder? Seems the GOVCO might be planning a switch away from the chamberings that the general population can use, that concerns me. For obvious reasons of course. 
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its a little smaller (case wise) and a little slower than the .260 remington is chambering the 6.8 in one of there rifles
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the 6.5 TCU (set some 700 and 1000 yd records out of 16in T/C) and 7 mm TCU have been around for 25 years.  sgw (olympus) had chamberings in the late 80's for ars, and the IMHSA was using both for pistol silhoutte. Who knows maybe this time around they will catch on.
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