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Is there much difference between these cartridges???
 
From what i've read, the 22-250 is a step up from the 223 and the 243 is 2-3 steps up from the 22-250.
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the 22-.250 and the .243 share similar ballistics, the difference being bullet weight.  The .243 is a legitamite medium size game gun, with bullet weights from 55-115 grains, and velocities up to the 4000 fps range. The 22-.250 bullets range from 30-77 grains with comparable velocities.
The .223 is, in my opinion, a couple steps down from these previous cartridges. Not that I have anything against a .223, it's just not as powerful as the first two. The .223 is very cheap to shoot compared to the other two, unless you reload. At retail prices, you can shoot 2-3 .223 rounds for every one of the first two. Depending on your application, any of these three calibers are very effective, and a standout in their own right.
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make mine a 223.
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[QUOTE=The Apostle AK]Is there much difference between these cartridges???
 
From what i've read, the 22-250 is a step up from the 223 and the 243 is 2-3 steps up from the 22-250.
 
The 243 has a wider range of bullet weights allowing for use on varmints or medium size game animals.  However depending on the rifle's rate of twist the 243 will probably prefer a specific bullet weight.  Find out which bullet works best and stick with it.  You could lose accuracy going from a 50gr. bullet to a 115gr. and vice versa.  I use a 223 WSSM that is faster and flatter shooting than either the 22-250 or 243.  On the downside it is expensive to shoot though. 
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Originally posted by The Apostle AK The Apostle AK wrote:

Is there much difference between these cartridges???
 
From what i've read, the 22-250 is a step up from the 223 and the 243 is 2-3 steps up from the 22-250.
Whats the intended purpose?
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That would be the essential question right there!
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Also, don't depend on the average slow twist 22-250 to handle any of the heavier 69-77 grain bullets in .223 diameter.
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my 1:14 22-250 which is pretty much standard wont handle anything over 55gr
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No comparison between the 223 and 22-250.  The latter is a ferarri compared to the 223 chevy performance.  Comparing the 22-250 and 243 from a target standpoint the 243 wins for barrel life only;  1200 vs 2500 rounds per barrel if you're pushing things fast.
For hunting I'd stand by the 1st statement re; 223 v 22-250, and then revise to add the 243 has heavier projectiles as well as a broader weight range so it would win the battle, in my mind anyway.
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Originally posted by lucytuma lucytuma wrote:

Whats the intended purpose?
 
I've already got a .308 and getting a new .22 soon so I want something in between. I'll be shooting stuff like Goats and Kangaroos and occasional range plinking.


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Hoppers!!!! You are on your own here mate!!! The closest we have are springhares!!!!
 
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balllistic coefficients of 22 cal bullets in the 40-50gr weight class run between .2 to .25 which is roughly the same as a brick. So push them fast if you want to catch up. Heavier 22 in the 69 thru, 75 range the bc run around .4-- which is the same as a .243 in 85 gr class. The 243 and 6 can push the 85's to 3400 ft, which might be attainable in a custom 22-250. While 69 thru 75 get the .223 off its knees , there is nothing to be done to get it into the others class.
Two ways to go here. custom 243 with fast twist for really high bc 105-110 and get rid of the 308.
dedicate the 308 for roos, and go for cheap, fun plinkin in the 223.
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In my 22-250 I shoot Sierra #1440 52 HPBT with IMR 4064 it works for me.......
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i use imr4064 in my 22-250 as well, 36gr of it for my 55 gr sierra's
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The .243 with a 55 grain ballistic tip has a better ballistic coefficient and is faster than any of the common .22 caliber centerfires.  That makes it a better long range varmint round, if you're building a varmint rifle.  And if you're into predators, the .243 is still superior.  Moving up to deer/antelope, the .243 is once again superior.  I had a 22-250, and sold it for a .243.  If it were me, and I were buying a new gun, I'd go with a .204 for small varmints only, and a .243 for all other small game/varmint/predator applications.  Both .20 and .24 caliber bullets are more aerodynamic than .22 caliber bullets.
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the bc of hornadys 58gr vmax is .25 I doubt if the nosler is better. this is the same as a 55 gr 22 cal. which means you have to push it to 3600 fps in the 6mm to keep up with the 22-50 down range. even then it takes around 10 gr more powder. bothe the 32 gr and 40 gr 204 have  bc in the .275 range which puts them right in the middle of the .22 cal. bullets, (same aerodynamics), the real advantage to the 204 is it does it on 10 grs less powder.
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Originally posted by jason miller jason miller wrote:

The .243 with a 55 grain ballistic tip has a better ballistic coefficient and is faster than any of the common .22 caliber centerfires.  That makes it a better long range varmint round, if you're building a varmint rifle.  And if you're into predators, the .243 is still superior.  Moving up to deer/antelope, the .243 is once again superior.  I had a 22-250, and sold it for a .243.  If it were me, and I were buying a new gun, I'd go with a .204 for small varmints only, and a .243 for all other small game/varmint/predator applications.  Both .20 and .24 caliber bullets are more aerodynamic than .22 caliber bullets.


i guess if you wanna burn your .243 barrel out with 55gr 6mm bullets be my guest. if you shoot coyotes or bobcats for money, i wouldnt suggest using the 55gr 6mm bullets. i shoot the .243 win for coyotes and cats, if you wanna make money on them use at least a 85gr bullet, you get better accuracy out of them anyway. id take the 22-250 over the .204 all day long, to light of a bullet to be messing with for me.
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Originally posted by jason miller jason miller wrote:

If it were me, and I were buying a new gun, I'd go with a .204 for small varmints only, and a .243 for all other small game/varmint/predator applications.  Both .20 and .24 caliber bullets are more aerodynamic than .22 caliber bullets.
 
Thats the setup I have, except, instead of a 243 WIN I have a 6mm Remington.  It seems to me the 24 cal's are more versitle than the 22's.  As far as a 204 those little guys can reach out there and where it falls short on energy the 6mm takes over.  Of note; a 22 cal shooting heavy bullets in 7/8 twist barrels should do well too, problem is, no one makes them that way except, maybe, Cooper or some place like that. 
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The 55 grain Nosler .243 ballistic tip is a .276 BC bullet.  There's no similar .224 bullet(polymer tip, 55 grain) that can match it.  And even factory .243 Winchester loadings with a 55 grain ballistic tip run 3850-3910 fps, compared to a 22-250 pushing that bullet weight at 3600-3680.  Obviously this is going to give better downrange performance.  I didn't say it wouldn't come at some expense.  Besides, that's not what I think the best use of a .243 is, I'm just saying it's more capable than the .22 caliber offerings at their own game. 

I also consider the .204 superior to .22 caliber offerings since it too has better ballistic coefficients and higher velocity.  And like you said, it does it with less powder and recoil.  This is why I said I wouldn't bother with a .22 caliber- the .204 is better for varmints, and a .243 is better at bigger stuff while also being more capable on varmints...
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correction- I was taking a previous poster's word that .224 55 grain ballistic tips were .25, while they're actually .267.  This means my 10% statement isn't correct.  However, the fact still stands that a .243 55 grain ballistic tip has a slightly higher BC at .276, with the ability to easily push it faster.  I would also like to disclaim that my statement that there's no .224 55 grain varmint bullet with a better BC than .276 is from looking previously years ago.  I can go look up specifics again if anyone would like.
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unless a bc is better than at least .1 in any given caliber it doesn't mean squat. whether a bullet varies by .025 would depend more on the velocity it was calculated. Higher bc doesn't have anything to do with pushing it faster, and increase in 100-200 fps in the lower bc bullet will more than make for up for the approx. .025 better bc.
The 69 thru 90 gr .224 bullets are used, they break thru the .4 bc barrier, and while over all velocity is slower the windrift is less.
If terminal muzzle energy is your primary concern-thats a different topic. I shoot my 6mm with the 58s at 4200 fps. , but it still doesn't beat my swift. If barrel heat, cost of shooting and equal performance to say 500 yds is the concern, the 204 wins.
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Dale,
 
Out of courisoty, what bullet/barrel twist combo are you using in your Swift?  The reason I'm asking, I'm in the process of getting a 22 cal 8-twist barrel (I have a butt-load of heavy bullets) and I'm having a difficult choice between the 220 Swift, 220 Swift AI, 22-250 or the 22-250 AI.  All have their advantages/disadvantages.  
 
It would be switch barrel set up where if I wanted to change I'd just unscrew the barrel, and depending on powder differences, re-zero (which should only take a cople of shots because only the barrel is removed.  The action, stock and scope stay intact). and start shooting.
 
As far as the ongoing 243/22 cal topic, I feel it comes down to what the purpose of the rifle is.  The heavy bullets and fast twist have really bought the 22 cal into its own but to the same extent, it has for the 6mm too.  On the other hand, if one goes to far in the fast twist direction they prpbably won't have optimum performance for the bullets on the other end of the spectrum due to them coming apart and/or decreased velocity due to more barrel drag.
 
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Originally posted by tjtjwdad tjtjwdad wrote:

Originally posted by jason miller jason miller wrote:

If it were me, and I were buying a new gun, I'd go with a .204 for small varmints only, and a .243 for all other small game/varmint/predator applications.  Both .20 and .24 caliber bullets are more aerodynamic than .22 caliber bullets.
 
Thats the setup I have, except, instead of a 243 WIN I have a 6mm Remington.  It seems to me the 24 cal's are more versitle than the 22's.  As far as a 204 those little guys can reach out there and where it falls short on energy the 6mm takes over.  Of note; a 22 cal shooting heavy bullets in 7/8 twist barrels should do well too, problem is, no one makes them that way except, maybe, Cooper or some place like that. 
 
Savage makes a 1 in 7" twist chambered in .223.
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my swift is 1-14 which is one reason for such high velocity. Tikka makes a 1-8 twist 223 also. heavy bullets in 6mm work well, with fast twist also, very high bc.
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