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wow...there are so many variables my head is spinnin'!
 
I am about to purchase one of 3 rifles. Remington, Thompson Center, or Savage in .223 caliber. I like the thumbhole stocks. I wish I could afford the Volquartsen Custom, but NO Way!!!
 
so feel free to sway me on those choices. But the next big thing is the scope! I live in the country and own about 15 acres with a 2 acre pond on it. I want to do some target shooting from about 200 yards plus. Maybe even test myself to 500 plus yards. So I want a scope with excellent optics (glass) and every resolution and clarity advantage I can get at 52 years of age. the mil dot looks like a good option, illuminated? Bushnell? Leupold? Millet? there are so many at different mags and ranges and and and....
 
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So far I am finding the 3-9x40 TR20-2 or 2.5-10x50 TR22-2G Trijicon to be the best fit...
 
Any experience for you guys on this model or its competitors???
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Price Rangefor the scope?
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+1 on what 3_tens said.
I would lean towards the Savage first (best bang for the buck), and the Remington a very close second on the rifle. If the TC is their new bolt action then I think it would come down to dollars for me on all three. All three are fine rifles so it's a tough call.
Unless you have to have an illuminated reticle I think the new 3-9x Super Sniper is a great deal with the mildot reticle in the front focal plane. I am giving it very serious consideration on a 223 rifle that I'm building.
Need more input on what you need (target size, distance, time of day) and what you have (money).
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I really like the Zeiss scopes for clarity. This 3-9 with the Z-600 is mounted on a Remington 700.
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great feedback! and I am salivating over the Rem700 pic from 3_tens! THe Zeiss and SWFA-SS are both certainly cost competative.
 
On teh money question, well, my desire to do it right outweighs my aingst for immediate gratification, so i am willing to wait. Having said that, I won't wait forever, which is why the Voquartsen is out... :-) I was hoping to keep rifle and scope under a $1000 when I started this, but know I am thinking that a stretch to about $1500 would get me a whole lot more value. I realize that after accessories like bipod, bags, ammo, I am looking at $2000.00 ballpark. I think that is my price "range".
As far as requirements, I am wanting to shoot small targets less than 12" at a minimum of 100 yards and out to...well, as good as I can shoot with most probable ranges between 100 to 500 yards. Anything farther would be competative or occassional.
 
I really appreciate the help guys! as I continue to research, your input is invaluable! I've been a tight group bow shooter for decades until 'someone' dry fired my custom Martin and shreaded it. So I am going to invest in a return to the gun club. the return to a rifle is as exciting as it is anxious. I can hardly wait to post successes (optomistic...:-P).
 
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I am seeing specs on the reticle at diferrent focal planes and as magnified or not. anyone care to explain this???
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If you are talking about the Zeiss the reticle is matched to the ballistics of the load you are shooting when it is set to the power setting that matches the ballistic curve. The calculator is found for finding the correct power setting for your load is on the Zeiss web site.
    On the Super Sniper variable the reticle is in the first focal plain and it will get larger or smaller relative to the power setting giving constant stadia readings for all magnifications.
I am lazy and prefer to use a laser range finder for speed and accuracy.


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So the reticle (Zeiss or second focal  plane) has to be adjusted (calibrated) to the rifle and to the ordinence? before the wind and elevation can be used? is the "calibration for MOA?
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Correct the Zeiss is dialed to the ammunition that is being used. I just reread your original post and the Super Sniper will much better suit your needs for target. The turrets are set for Mils just like the  Reticle. This eliminates conversions. The Zeiss will be good for hunting but would not be as precise as needed for good target scores.

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Super Sniper 3-9 all the way . Call SWFA and ask for CF II... Wink
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great info!!!
I will definitely be contacting CF2 about the Super Sniper!
Please feel free to send me email on offers, specs, etc....
Now I've got to decide on a rifle!.... :-P
 
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I would also consider going to a 16x or more magnification if you intend engaging targets at 300yds +. That depends on the size of your targets and level of accuracy of course. But from one 52 year old to another, it can only help those eyes see targets better.
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Welcome to the OT Sifu!  SOunds like you have a lot o f chewing to do!  I'll throw my .02 in just to add to the confusion.  1st off too many people here have experienced problems with their new Remys, 8shots being one.
 
I have had wonder success with Savages.  Both my 270Win and my 223 came out of the box shooting sub-MOA groups.  I recently purchased a 12BTV Savage 223 and am tickled pink that a $700 gun would be 0.5MOA out of the box with zero tweaking!  The 12BTV is a lot of rifle for $700 too. 
 
Fluted bull barrel, 5 round box mag, lamy thumbhole stock, 2.5# Accu-trigger 
 
 
I currently have an ATN 6-18X65mm scope on her that was a donation from one of the other OT members.  I also added a 6-9" Bipod.
 
                            
 
I absolutely love this gun!  Heavy, solid and accurate!  She will shoot 0.5" MOA all day, as long as I do my part.  The Scope is a monster so with Bipod and scope she weights in around 13.5lbs.  The ATN is actually a pretty nice scope and has a ranging reticle as well as 6 different cams for 6 common calibers.  Once you have ranged your target you simply turn the cam to that yardage and aim dead-on.  Naturally you'll need to determine if the ammo your shooting matches the cam profile but you should be close enough for most hunting.
 
I also have a Bushnell Elite 4200 2.5-10X40 scope.  It is my brightest scope and the glass is clear thru the entire mag range.  It too worked well on my 223 but with my 51yr old eyes I wanted a little more magnification for 200 to 500yard shots.  I am saving up for another 4200 variable either 16X or 24X.  More than likely I'll go with the 4-16X.
The above target illustrates the guns capabilities.  The two flyers in this 6 shot group were all me and not the gun.
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Excellent!
The Savage 12BTCSS has been on my list for a while. Your experience and knowledge are very appreciated!
Thanks... now I have to look at scopes again... :-)
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I really don't care for the grey colored Lamy stocks so when I happened across the 12BTV I was all over it!  Another Savage I was intriqued with is the Tigershark model.  It was a limited edition with custom Lamy Thumbhole stock like nothing I've seen before.
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Here is a tigershark, comes with a hard case.
 
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And a word for Thompson Center  ---   TC Sucks but Bullberry Barrels for TC Rock.  I have a 30-06    (28 inch long (longest barrel I own) and you are lucky to keep them all in a pie pan at 100 yds - it is bar none the worst barrel I have gotten from them and my success rate is about 50 % of them shoot a 2moa group the others are worse.  I have a .375 H&H barrel and a 50 cal musket barrel that shoot about 2moa or a little better.  I have had and traded due to lack of accuracy TC barrels in 25-06, 300 WM.   Next gun show that 06 is out of here right along with a 12 ga pro hunter slug barrel.
 
Both Rem and Savage are fine rifles.  The Savages are awesome right out of the box and sometimes the Remmingtons are awesome and sometimes they need some work.  Good thing about Rem is you can find guys who really know how to make them shoot with a little work.


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Hey guys its been a while for me as I finally sorted out my .22 I ended up with a CZ452 classic and love it, As for the scope I threw a Leupold VXII on top and Im quite plaesed with the results. As for this topic I to Have just put a deposit on a Kimber 84M pro Varmint .223 and Im thinking of going with the Nikkon scopes (hey they make great cameras so they must know something about optics) the problem though is with my eyesight I like a powerfull scope I would like a 6-24 but the only nikkon that size has a 50mm objective. The next down is a 5-20 with a 44mm objective. Has anyone got a Kimber how would I go mounting a 50mm objective scope, will it be too high?
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I have a SS 16X.  I have been shooting it out to 600yds.  It brings the target in better than my 4.5 x 14 Leupold.  Im getting a SS 3 x 9 for my AR15  next week.  Just my .02
Good luck.
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Sorry dude but Im new to the shotting game... Whats an SS who makes it and what are they worth
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http://swfa.com/SWFA-SS-Rifle-Scopes-C187.aspx
Worth their weight in Gold.  But they are quiet reasonably priced.
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Yeah that looks alright but I prefer the good ol duplex reticle, sorry dude. I just keep getting drawn to the Nikon for some reason, the only thing that scares me off them is the big ass eyebox, Im worried about the clearnce between it and the bolt, but I spose theres something about it that lets them keep the constant eye relief...
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Thats what is so great about this stuff, different likes.  
If we all liked the same things, we would have one rifle, one rifle scope, and no need to sit around and talk about anything this stuff.  Get some ideas, Go with what you like and then we can continue to have great discussions.   Smile
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Just had dinner with a friend who has lots of gun experience. He swears he has done everything from target to varmint to deer hunting with an old Marlin .22 magnum rifle that was one of his favourite guns.
 
.22 magnum? really?
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