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    Posted: August/09/2013 at 20:26
I have a SRS match AR with a Criterion HBAR barrel, 1:8, 223 wylde chamber, Geissele SSA and removable carry handle. I want to shoot this rifle with a scope between matches. I might shoot it at local 600 yard F class matches for fun. I am wanting to keep it under $400 since this will be a secondary purpose for this rifle.
I really don't need side focus or FFP and I don't expect them in my budget. I already have a 1" PEPR mount I could use, so a 1" tube would be cheaper.
 
Which scope would you suggest?
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For $99 more you can get a $1000

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3-9xHD SWFA branded SS used but worth the $$$...

FFP full range elevation you could go out to 1000 with it no problem...

or 10XHD SWFA SS branded used but worth the money


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I would use the 16x42 Super Sniper and buy a real mount-  Bobro or  La Rue.  If you have to stay with your 1 inch mount look at the Leupold 6x42 competition target scope.

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Originally posted by 338LAPUASLAP 338LAPUASLAP wrote:


3-9xHD SWFA branded SS used but worth the $$$...

FFP full range elevation you could go out to 1000 with it no problem...

or 10XHD SWFA SS branded used but worth the money


Originally posted by Urimaginaryfrnd Urimaginaryfrnd wrote:

I would use the 16x42 Super Sniper and buy a real mount-  Bobro or  La Rue.  If you have to stay with your 1 inch mount look at the Leupold 6x42 competition target scope.
 
I value both of your opinions but they really vary on this one.  Care to explain why one of you think 10X and the other 16X?
 
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I believe he was trying to stay in a budget and still give him a quality build, 

I would say a 16x is too much mag and is far inferior to a 10x or 9x.

Some like more mag and don't care about the pureness of the image in their eye, also with the AR you don't want critical head placement, you want something that is a little forgiving.

The 3-9 offers many more benefits IMHO, but their is also something to say about the idea of fixed power however in this particular circumstance the 16x is just too much and not enough at the same time.
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I usually always blow my budgets, but I really need to stay closer to $300. I have been looking at the Weaver Grand Slam Tactical at MidwayUSA for $299. However, my eyes aren't what they were and my astigmatism is getting worse. I was hoping to find a hidden jewel (wishful thinking) of a scope with a little better glass and mag. So I wanted to hear my options from the optics community.
 
I have a vortex 4-16x50 PST on a Rem 5r now. That is the highest limit of my budget. I am a casual match shooter, so I don't want to spend 2-3k on scopes. Since this newest scope will be a secondary sight for the rifle it will go on, I don't want to even spend as much as I did on the PST.
 
I agree, that 16x is more than I need for this set up.
 
 
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http://www.samplelist.com/SWFA-SS-12x42-Tactical-Rifle-Scope-DEMO-A-P64592.aspx
That would be my choice. And it would be a good back up optic for your match rifle, or very easily sold for how much it cost to buy.
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+1 on billburl2's choice.
I've been shooting and hitting a steal plate at about 500yds with a .223 using the SS3-9x42. The plate is a little larger than the 10 ring on a 600yd target, so I think the 12 power would be an excellent choice for gotigers intended purpose, and well within his budget.
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I haven't spent as much time as I'd like with my SS 12x, but do like it and shoot it off my .223 Rem. 
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Originally posted by 338LAPUASLAP 338LAPUASLAP wrote:

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I was trying to kick this around and since you realize 16x is to much I can concur with the others.

Still the 10x SWFA might be easier on your eyes and not as hard to get behind as the 12x, I tried this with a retired cop who was loosing his eyesight and was pretty easily fatigued and he did better behind the 10x than the 12x and liked the sight picture, he couldn't resolve the holes like he could with the 12x...

I have a 12x SWFA SS on a .22lr if that helps, I needed the the elevation for shooting golf balls at long distances it helps to have the higher mag to see just in case it hits low or high and the ball doesn't jump around...

Keeping in the budget is always hard.

The 3-9HD is just the best thing for your application as you posted but does not meet the pricing requirement.  

The 10x, 12x are both great options...  






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I would have to agree with the lower magnification of a 3-9x as I believe anything over 10 would be too much scope. I think budget is the worst enemy for a secondary scope. 
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