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    Posted: November/22/2010 at 13:51

Curious what you guys think would be the better survival gun between the two?

Either gun is light weight, and a cache of ammo would be comparable in weight and size.  Why would one or the other be the better weapon, and do you think semi-auto or bolt action would be best.  I love shooting .22 LR for fun, and saw some aguila ammunition that claims to be the fastest .22 LR ammo available.  It carries a 30 grain bullet at 1750 FPS and that is about 70% of a .22 mag, has anyone shot that particular round?
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the 17 is flatter shooting and faster but the 22mag will have more energy if I remember correctly.  What do you you mean by survival gun? 

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.22mag bolt gun gets my vote. 
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Originally posted by SVT_Tactical SVT_Tactical wrote:

the 17 is flatter shooting and faster but the 22mag will have more energy if I remember correctly.  What do you you mean by survival gun? 

A last minute/last ditch grab and go gun with ammo.   I am talking about the lightest best choice rifle that allows a high volume of ammo to be carried on your person and available while not dragging you down.  Survival.  Not the hardest hitting or longest range, not the most tactical or concealable.  Just simple, reliable, accurate, and light weight.
 
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I would go with a 22lr but btween the two you listed a 22 mag would be more versital in my opinion

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Have you used the 1750 FPS aguila .22 LR ammo?  That seems to be a great compromise.

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Most of the time a 22 doesn't stablize the supersonic stuff that great.  I will not be as accurate because of the change from supersonic to subsonic.  I mainly shoot standard velocity 22 for plinking and subsonic for accuracy.  Another thing is most 22 semi's aren't rated for over 1500FPS as it can damage the internals, or at one time that was the case.  Don't get caught up on speed.  I did a test on 22 ammo a while back and high velocity stuff bombed hard at 100yds. 
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Personally, I like the 22mag due to somewhat heavier bullets than the 17.  Besides, in the last few years, it seems that the quality of 22mag ammo got a fair bit better.

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+1 for the 22 mag.
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I am looking at the Marlin 983 .22 Magnum, 12 round tubular magazine, bolt action rifle.  What are the best ammo's that you have come across in 22 LR and 22 Magnum (Koshkin &SVT_Tact)
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Originally posted by TruthNtime TruthNtime wrote:

I am looking at the Marlin 983 .22 Magnum, 12 round tubular magazine, bolt action rifle.  What are the best ammo's that you have come across in 22 LR and 22 Magnum (Koshkin &SVT_Tact)

That kinda depends on the purpose.  22mag ammo behaves very differently depending on the bullet weight.  Out of 30gr bullets, my guns like Hornady's 33gr Vmax load.  With 40gr bullets, I have had good luck with Fiocchi's hollowpoint.  With heavier bullets, 50gr Federal load has been a bit more accurate for me than Winchester's 45gr Dynapoint.

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Thanks for the info Koshkin, What do you think of the Burris FFII 3-9x40 deal with a rimfire scope included?
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Originally posted by TruthNtime TruthNtime wrote:

Thanks for the info Koshkin, What do you think of the Burris FFII 3-9x40 deal with a rimfire scope included?

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All of the manufactures of 17 HMR ammunition recommend that 17 HMR not be fired from a semi auto. So my vote is for the .22 mag in a bolt gun. I truly love the 17 HMR for accuracy, but feel the the heaver bullets of the .22 mag will stop a larger target more efficiently.
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Im inclined toward 22mag mainly because I know that in a pinch one can make a 22 long rifle fire in the 22 mag and while it may rupture the case it will go bang and spit out the bullet.  It is not a recomendation that this be done however in a survival situation knowind that might be a posibility with the 22mag where it is not with the 17 may be enough to sway the choice. I knew a fellow some time back who was speical forces in vietnam and they dropped him behind the lines with a 22 mag and he said that two enemy soldiers would be walking across a field 150 yds away and all of a sudden one would just drop over and the other had no idea where the shot came from. Compared to centerfire these things are very quiet and more so with a can (suppressor).

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Also I would suggest you scope it with a Super Sniper 3-9x42 and that you use high quality mounts and rings like TPS. This is going to be a gun that you will put some time behind so it does not make sense to go half ass on the optic and you will want tactical knobs to correct for trajectory because you need to only shoot one time and that time needs to hit its mark.


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I love my 17 HMR, but for a survival gun, I would go with the 22 Mag.  Heavier bullets means more possibilities for game taking.
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My vote goes for the .17. If my memory serves me correct you can get ammo with heavier bullets. Standard is .17 grain, they have 20grain and I believe I have even seen 25 grain ammo.
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Fifty grain is available in .22WMR and will out penetrate the lighter pills.
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Since survival is the objective, the name of the game for me is versatility - 22mag.
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