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I need some advice .I was just recently able to introduce my 6 yr old son to rifle shooting. We managed to borrow a friends youth model Marlin single shot bolt action with scope. My son for his first time shot at about 40 yards and kept his shots with in an inch and a half to two inches.Pretty good in my opinion for a first timer.Shot the gun myself had a blast.So much so that I did a little early Christmas shopping and bought him a nice little Marlin XT22YR that has iron sights. My first question is should I let him learn to use open sights and move to scope or spring for a scope ? And with only about $60-80 to spend are there any decent scopes for a youngster to use ? He will be shooting at targets and tin cans mostly but may also do some small animal hunting .As I said before I enjoyed shooting it so much myself that I spent a little more for one myself the Marlin XT22VR . Since it has no iron sights I will need a scope for it. As you can imagine funds are running low by now. I may be able to squeeze about $150 to get one. Again any even half decent scopes in that range? Any with mildot and side focus?
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I highly recommend teaching him to use iron sights first. Then later get him a scope.  That will allow you to save some money now and have time to save more for a scope for him later.

The scope that sits on my 22 LR is the Weaver Classic Rimfire 2-7x28.  I really like it.  It would be in that range for you.  Not mildot or side focus, but could be used for now and then transfered or replaced later.  I doubt I will ever replace that one on my 22.  I like it too much.
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I started with both  -- irons on a snigle shot bolt gun,  and a 4x rimfire scope on a bolt action Winchester 52. My grandfather used a nail to nail a mayonase jar lid to a tree and the nail was the target using his Winchester with the 4x scope and a rest. That was 53 years ago and I have been top shooter in every law enforcement agency I have worked for.
I would ask him if he wants to try a scope or to try open sights, but I believe he will be more successful with the scope therefore become more interested in doing this. Now we all know that a cheap scope wont last him a lifetime but Id rather pony up nine bucks and have him  stay interested because he is hitting the target than not. Beside that once you are already paying shipping on one scope you have already taken the beating for the shipping cost.  Dont forget rings and I prefer WARNE of the lower cost ones.
 
Tasco 4x15 Rimfire Riflescope Crosshair Tasco 4x15 Rimfire Riflescope
Stock # - RF4X15D
  • Gloss
  • Crosshair
  • 3/4"
$8.95 
I would put this on your rifle and plan to put the same on his eventually and at that point you may wish to switch the weaver to his and upgrade yours to a 4-16  or something like a 16x42 Super Sniper:
Weaver 2.5-7x28 Classic Rimfire Rifle Scope Dual-X Weaver 2.5-7x28 Classic Rimfire Rifle Scope
Stock # - 849431
  • Matte
  • Dual-X
  • 1"
$141.95
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I learned with iron sights shooting an old Remington 513 single shot bolt action. This may be the way to start out with. When my grandmother, yes GRANDMOTHER, felt I was proficient enough, she bought me a Marlin 25 in .22 LR with a Tasco 4x32 Pronghorn costing a little less than $25 at SWFA. At 10 years old, that scope to me loooked like a big game hunting scope on my .22. I loved it. 22 years later, it sits in my gun safe at home, still zeroed for 75 yards on the same Marlin 25. It has served me well on small game. The power is suffiecient enough for standing and prone/bipod. The simple duplex crosshairs were sufficient enough for 25-100 yard small game and plinking. 20 oz bottlecaps were common hits off support. The field of view is very forgiving and large. The adjustments are in 1/4MOA clicks. I always kept a coin (dime) inside the windage cap incase i needed to make adjustments, but never needed it. American Flag   
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I agree with him learning with open sights, it's almost a lost art. You're going to have one happy young man on Christmas morning. I almost wish I could be there to see his smile and the smile of a proud father.
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I like shooting with open sights sometimes because of the skill enhancement, but I'm not sure it makes it more fun for a beginner. A low-mag fixed scope seems the better way to go.
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In my opinion open sights for the first few years is the way to go until he has eyesight issues or just shows a lack of interest in shooting with open sights.
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Open sights are the way to go for a beginner. If you stress focussing on the front sight in the sight picture, and pressing the trigger, then those 2 fundamentals will transfer over to anything he shoots, scoped or not.
I too was the top shot on the 2 Dept.s I was/am on, and a 6 time winner of the State sponsored LE pistol match, before I retired from the first Dept. 
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+1 on learning with iron sights first and...

+2 on the Weaver 2.5-7X28 Classic Rimfire.  I have the 3-9X version Classic Rimfire w/ AO, and these scopes are remarkably good for the price!  Fantastic rimfire scopes!
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Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

+1 on learning with iron sights first and...

+2 on the Weaver 2.5-7X28 Classic Rimfire.  I have the 3-9X version Classic Rimfire w/ AO, and these scopes are remarkably good for the price!  Fantastic rimfire scopes!

Concur with the guys and with Mr. Dude's assessment in particular. I too have the Weaver mentioned on a CZ .22 and it is a real good buy. 

 
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Mr. Cheaptrick,
 
My wife has this same CZ .22 rifle. We are trying to find a scope/11mm (euro) rings combination that will allow a scope to clear the rear sight. This set up you have looks really nice!!! she currently has a way-too-high set of rings for a 40mm objective scope to clear the rear sight, but she rightfully so prefers a closer-to-the-bore setup. May i ask, what are the product numbers for the weaver scope and rings here? so we too, can have this nice set up. thank you, sir. 
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The problem that you may run into with lower rings is the bolt throw which is extreme on CZs. Much lower than a CZ "medium" (.550") ring and the bolt handle may not clear the ocular so take a look at clearance before buying lower rings.
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Originally posted by Ratface Ratface wrote:

Mr. Cheaptrick,
 
My wife has this same CZ .22 rifle. We are trying to find a scope/11mm (euro) rings combination that will allow a scope to clear the rear sight. This set up you have looks really nice!!! she currently has a way-too-high set of rings for a 40mm objective scope to clear the rear sight, but she rightfully so prefers a closer-to-the-bore setup. May i ask, what are the product numbers for the weaver scope and rings here? so we too, can have this nice set up. thank you, sir. 

Thank you. 

The rings are Warne mediums. They will fit a 11mm receiver or a 3/8's, depending on which way you position the clamp. 
In the following link I post, you will notice that there is a slight indentation on the left top corner of the ring clamp. I'm told that in this position, the ring will fit the 11mm receiver of "most" CZ 452's. Flip them around and they fit a 3/8's. 
Some models may be 3/8s, but mine is 11mm. 

As mentioned, the high bolt throw of a CZ can be troublesome when scoping, but this set up works really well. In addition, I've since learned that you may take off the rear sight and get it out the way, if you choose. The rear sight doesn't interfere with the scope on my rifle in this configuration, nor can you see the rear sight in any way, but taking the sight off may be more to your liking. 
You will see the front sight blade, or if you remove the blade, the sight housing through the scope however, at magnifications lower than about 4x, if memory serves me.   

Also, if there's anything you need to know about .22 rimfires, check out Rimfire Central. They have a cornucopia of knowledge there and a dedicated CZ forum.   

Let me know if I may be of any service and good shooting.  
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How can I remove the rear sight?

Use a dowel to press down on the front of the sight ladder at the point where holes are drilled in the side of the base. Push the sight ladder backwards.

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Great avatar Trick.I sure do miss shooting with iron sights.I hate having to wear bi-focals with scopes.Iron sights don't fog up & dont brake with recoil.
 
Yeah, teach him with iron sights first then go to Red dots, then glass.Just my opion.
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