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Ok, I have bought a 22 for fun and more trigger time. My question to the forums is what is realistic as far as accuracy and distances for this rifle and round. I know wind will be a major factor in it. I have shot 22's a lot growing up, but never for target or groups, and I know a lot of you supplement your trigger time with 22's.

Riffle: Rem 597 (needs trigger replaced bad lol)
Optic: is a viper crossfire 2x7x32 V-plex rimfire for now.
 
Have not taken it outside to shoot yet. I have taken it to an indoor pistol range. Kneeling with supported off hand I am getting about 1/2 in 25 yard groups. Would prefer sitting sling to this platform but not available with the range the way it is set up.  I realize it is not a target rifle, and don't expect bug holes with it, just want to know about what is realistic when I seriously get out with it.
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some 22's will surprise you.
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The 597's are a direct competitor to the Ruger 10/22, a tough act to follow. The Remingtons are also known to shoot as well as the Flaming Chicken brand. Like SVT said, you might be surprised and 1/2" at 50 yds. might be obtainable with the right ammo.
I have a 2-7 Monarch on one of my 10/22's and it is a great combination. On 2x it is great for close in on sparrows. On 7x it is good for critters out as far as I care to shoot the little carbine. I think the Vortex should serve just as well.
All in all a very nice combination you have, Gerald.
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Wow, what a question, with all kinds of answers.
I used a Ruger 77/22 with an old Redfield 2-7 with a BDC. I don't shoot much paper, just whatever trash or objects happen to be out on the range. Golf, and tennis balls, cans, and plastic bottles, small rocks and other objects that will react when hit make up the majority of my targets. 250yds is as far as my scope will take me, and I've hit tennis balls and pop cans at that range, but not consistantly. I like to practice my offhand skills on golf balls and I can chase them out just past 100yds before they hide in the grass. I also use an AR 15 A2 with a conversion kit and open sights out to about 100yds on golf balls if I can see them.
From a bench I can consistantly hit pop cans and tennis balls with the Ruger at 200yds.
If I had a decent scope with lots of elevation I'd try 300yds with the 22, but I don't see that happening anytime soon.
I know this doesn't answer your question, but I use the 22 to practice skills when ammo for other things isn't available. I also try not to shoot groups with 22s, I don't want to find out that I was hitting my targets with luck and not skill.
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http://www.clarkcustomguns.com/1022con.htm#bkgrnd  with a semi auto 22lr i would think 1"@100yrds would be something you could shoot for.
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Coyote95     Doubt that. It will stay a factory rifle except for the hammer and maybe the extractor. I doubt I can get that lucky at a blind draw of the cards. lol


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Loaded question.

I can Say I probably have a few thousand dollars into the endeavor of finding the most accurate .22lr SuperSonic/Subsonic and to my excitement still have not found one that can be found to be tighter than 1/2 MOA at 100yards.  I have a few cases of the LAPUA Gold Midas, Target or Center X, X act.  surprisingly they are not much more accurate at 100 than the other name brand over $10 per 50.

And due to the nature of it they obviously do not tighten up the further you go.

I would love to find ammo that could consistently shoot 1/4" at 100 rather than every 5 or 6 grouping and then a few wild ones. 

The trick for me has been to find a good lot number as they very greatly from box to box or year to year that is why I always try to get them in cases, however this also puts me with a few boxes that I would rather just assist people with (but instead of getting 500 for $10-12 it costs me the $10 per 50 since it cannot group for pooh).

Good Luck finding something to do better than 1/2" at 100 it will be a great day when you do.

That is not to say you might not put 5 or 6 touching but eventually you will find a flier and it is not due to the shooter and that is just flat out disappointing but for the $$$ you cannot beat the fun you have and the training you get.

I like the set up those little green plastic army men at 100 yards and go to town.  I would love to get it endorsed as a sport....

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a good 22 will consistently bust clay targets at 300 yds. The big leap is the optics needed to do it. A good 4x work if the elevation turrets are up to it, but a higher range variable is better. Also differences in sfp and ffp will make a difference. Another is your shooting goals. If you want to train for first shot stuff, then dialing the solution is a good way to go, and the scope must be up to that. If you are just plinking a sfp with  a ballistic reticle works great ( there will usually be some power that will give the correct drop, find it by throwing a few shoots).
Shooting for groups is about as helpful with a 22 as using groups in high powers, and unless that is the sport your doing should be put in the same category.
Check out the JBM website for drops and windage for the various rounds they have listed to get an idea what you need in a scope.

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Here is a 3 shot target that I am happy with from a Srevens 416 at 100 yds ammo Remmington 22 tatget
 
extreme spread 0.36 the dot outside edge is 1"
 
 
 
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Originally posted by SVT_Tactical SVT_Tactical wrote:

Worth looking at, even though i'm bias
The Chief did a very good job on this test. I have since duplicated the test with very simular results. I was very suprised at the accuracy of the WOLF .22 ammunition. Had it not been for STV I would have never tried the Wolf. Excellent
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Originally posted by coyote95 coyote95 wrote:

http://www.clarkcustomguns.com/1022con.htm#bkgrnd  with a semi auto 22lr i would think 1"@100yrds would be something you could shoot for.


My sillywet 10/22 will put 10 rounds in a one inch sticker at 100 yards with CCI mini mags. But, a well sorted bolt gun with high grade ammo will beat it any day of the week in a match. It took me a lot of money and experimentation to get it competitive.

A gentle tail wind is your friend for small groups at any kind of distance with the 22.
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The Wolf 22lr is relabeld S&K or Lapua I am sure of it. I live down the road from Camp Perry Where nationals are held and I have spoken to Lapua Direct on this and it is made by them as a S&K manufactured Product...  Nammo Lapua Oy I believe is the correct name.

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Originally posted by Dale Clifford Dale Clifford wrote:

a good 22 will consistently bust clay targets at 300 yds. The big leap is the optics needed to do it. A good 4x work if the elevation turrets are up to it, but a higher range variable is better. Also differences in sfp and ffp will make a difference. Another is your shooting goals. If you want to train for first shot stuff, then dialing the solution is a good way to go, and the scope must be up to that. If you are just plinking a sfp with  a ballistic reticle works great ( there will usually be some power that will give the correct drop, find it by throwing a few shoots).
Shooting for groups is about as helpful with a 22 as using groups in high powers, and unless that is the sport your doing should be put in the same category.
Check out the JBM website for drops and windage for the various rounds they have listed to get an idea what you need in a scope.

 
I will concur.
 
The 4.125 to 4.25 of the clay is a nice shot for the .22lr at 300yrds.  I have yet to find a 95% or better hit rate out of the ammo though.  I particularly enjoy this shooting it keeps you sharp for the longer shots and is on par to the 1000+ .308WIN or 1500yrd+ .338LM.  My second favorite is 150gr to 220gr subsonic .308win at 500-600yrds but I probably shoot this .22lr style shooting 60% of the year.
 
I have used 3 optics for this the SWFA SS10xHD on a 30 MOA rail and the Sightron SIII 6-24x with the Barret 40 MOA bases on a 30 MOA rail.  And I am glad to say the newest SWFA SS 5-20xHD with the 30 MOA base.  I still have an old TASCO SS I bring out from time to time.
 
I know I am a 1/2 MOA shooter at max.  Even in bad shape with my now added 40+lbs and being out of shape this has not been as affected by sitting and shooting my prone abilities are not what they used to be as my breathing is a little rougher but the skill is their. 
 
I would have to say that back to the original post you can find ammo that can hold 1/2" or maybe even 1/4" but not as consistently as Centerfire, from my experience.
 
 
 
 


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Well been doing some research (rimfire central). Looks like some guys are getting a few to break 1 moa without too much expense. So I guess realistically I am looking at a 1 to 2 moa rifle to work with and see where it goes. I know it will be fun, and that's what counts.
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I have only have one .22 what will break 1 moa with near to 50% consistency and it is an Anschutz pistol. It will out shoot the 1415-1415 rifle I have. Though I have not done nearly as much testing with ammo on the Anschutz rifle. I think the shorter 12" barrel on the 64 LV pistol keeps the effect of the inconsistency in the ammunition to a minimum. A thought anyway.
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one of the most accurate 22s I have is a TC 10" bull, with a bentz (sp?) chamber, it will easily out shoot any rifle I've used in 22lr. One of the reasons is the lack of velocity, which allows the bullet to go subsonic earlier in the flight. Generally if you can get reasonably good groups with standard velocity at 100 yds, they will work for long range as they have gone sub by then. One of my favorite is CCI standard velocity. With a 20 moa rail and using a NF 8x32 br on a savage II 500 yds. is fun also. Reading the wind past 200 yds. will have more effect on your percentage hit ratio than grouping ability at 100yds.
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This thread needs some pics...  I think it would be interesting for some shooters to see the accuracy at the extreme distance of the .22lr. 
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