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Ok folks, what changes do you think will be made to the 2008 scale for 2009?
 
 
2008 Riflescope Rating Scale

 

10 - Swarovski Z6, Zeiss Victory

9 - Kahles C - CL & CSX, Schmidt & Bender

8 - Kahles KX, U.S. Optics, Swarovski PH & American, X.O.T.I.C.,  Zeiss Classic

7 - Bushnell Elite 6500, Leupold VX-7, Nightforce, IOR Valdada

6 - Bushnell Elite 4200, Nikon Monarch & Monarch X, Zeiss Conquest

5 - Leupold Mark 4 VX III & VX-L, Nikon Monarch Gold & Titanium, Sightron SIII

4 - Burris Black Diamond Signature Select XTR & Euro Diamond, Meopta, Pentax Lightseeker, Super Sniper, Trijicon Accupoint, Weaver Grand Slam

3 - Bushnell Elite 3200, Leatherwood, Leupold VX-II, Millet, Nikon Buckmaster, Sightron SI & SII, Vortex

2 -  Burris Fullfield II & Timberline, Leupold Rifleman & VX-I, Mueller, Nikon ProStaff, Simmons, Swift

1 - Barska, BSA, Tasco

0 - ATN, Leapers, NcStar

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I'll have to defer.  
"Before I speak, I have something important to say"...
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1.  Move USO and Swaro (PH and AH) up one level.
2.  Move Nightforce up one level (the F1 would will probably go up 2 levels, but that has yet to be established for certain.)
3.  Trijicon Accupoint should move up one level.


That's my opinion, and everyone has at least one.
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edit to add the bigsky SII and remove the vxl and vx3 until there new counterparts are released.
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Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

1.  Move USO and Swaro (PH and AH) up one level.
2.  Move Nightforce up one level (the F1 would will probably go up 2 levels, but that has yet to be established for certain.)
3.  Trijicon Accupoint should move up one level.


That's my opinion, and everyone has at least one.


I think the "bang for buck" factor is keeping the PH and AH down but I agree, they should be moved up too. They were a 9 on the "2007 T-Bone Riflescope Optical Rating Scale" but then dropped one on the revised list.
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I wasn't so much asking for changes for changes sake, but what new optics coming out might shake things up a bit.  Sorry, I should have put that in my first post!
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Koshkin and myself have been working on an updated scale and I will wait to post/update the current one after S.H.O.T.

Edited by Chris Farris - December/22/2008 at 17:27
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My Super Sniper is NOT as good of a scope as my Burris Black Diamond in any way IMO.  I'd move the SS down a line.  I'd also move the Monarch down a line equal to VX III and Sightron SIII's IMO.  OTher than that the scale looks pretty accurate according to the scopes I own on the list.  THe real question for 09 will be...Where does the new VX ?? sit on the scale.  Leupold's keeping a tight lip on this one.  You can't order the old ones OR the new ones.???  I just want to see a picture of the new ones.  Spy photo's anyone?
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Think the Conquest is better than the 4200 or Monarch, but price may be holding it down to where it is. BSA for me ranks right up there with NcStar. Tracking was unusable. That may not be the case with all of them though. Maybe both are where they belong.
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Originally posted by trigger29 trigger29 wrote:

BSA for me ranks right up there with NcStar.
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Trigger - didn't you mean to say, "down there"   Smile
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No.....it's called sarcasm. In the real world I live on it. Kind of hard to send it through a computer though.
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BSA .....big sh#%y apparatus? 
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Originally posted by rifle looney rifle looney wrote:

BSA .....big sh#%y apparatus? 
 
Yeah, that's it. I'll talk to my airbrushing buddy. We'll paint their new billboards.
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Chris do you know if ILya is going to the SHOT show.
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Remove the "bang for the buck" feature.  IMO that just gets the water muddy. 
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Originally posted by Roy Finn Roy Finn wrote:

Chris do you know if ILya is going to the SHOT show.
 
Roy, he made a post earlier this fall about going and to see if anyone else was.  He mentioned something about having an OT get-together.
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Originally posted by swtucker swtucker wrote:

Remove the "bang for the buck" feature.  IMO that just gets the water muddy. 


That would make the list very interesting. Devil
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Originally posted by mike650 mike650 wrote:

Originally posted by swtucker swtucker wrote:

Remove the "bang for the buck" feature.  IMO that just gets the water muddy. 


That would make the list very interesting. Devil
 
I'm trying for a 'grass roots' movement here...If you can find this forum, then you can find the price of a scope.  The trick is which one is the best.
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I agree without the "value" factored in it seems it would be simpler to get to the nitty gritty everyone wants to see.  I'd like to see best to worst and factor in price for myself since price's priority is different for all of us.
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I would like to know where the scopes would be ranked if it soley depended on glass.  Or is there such a scale and I just don't know about it yet.......
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Originally posted by swtucker swtucker wrote:

Originally posted by mike650 mike650 wrote:

Originally posted by swtucker swtucker wrote:

Remove the "bang for the buck" feature.  IMO that just gets the water muddy. 


That would make the list very interesting. Devil
 
I'm trying for a 'grass roots' movement here...If you can find this forum, then you can find the price of a scope.  The trick is which one is the best.


Agreed, it might shake the list up a bit; hence, making it very interesting.  Thunbs Up I rather know which are best optically and not which are very good optically but cheaper in price which could place 'em higher on the list.

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New optics for consideration:  Nightforce F1.  As stated previsouly, it is a dramatic improvement, in features and glass quality.  If S&B is a 9, F1 is aslo a 9, maybe 9.5.  O yea, it is that good!
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And I agree 4200 and Conquest should not be on the same level - because theya re not on the same level.
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Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

And I agree 4200 and Conquest should not be on the same level - because theya re not on the same level.


 "bang for buck" factor strikes again. Yippee
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