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eeeh eeem. [/QUOTE] Sorry guys, missed this question.
Well truth be told I know nothing about sizing a rifle stock. I do know that I am a little on the oversized side of things... 6'2" 280#+ and 38" long arms. Fairly broad shouldered. Usually it is my arm length that gives me troubles.
For instance, I was chunking for yellowfin tuna with some friends off Ocean City, MD. I hooked into a 50# tuna and it KICKED my butt! I was trying to hold the pole by the handle. This meant that with my long arms I was fighting the tuna with my biceps and small of my back. It was embarassing! My buddies laughed and made fun of me, after all it was only a 50# fish.
The Captain of the charter pulled me aside and told me to lock my arms out straight next time. I said that if I did that I would be holding the pole just behind the 2nd eyelet from the tip. He said not to worry about the Tuna stick (Pole) it would survive. Next hook-up I did what he said and the difference was completely amazing. I had no trouble at all fighting and landing the tuna (another 50#er).
I have always felt more comfortable with a longer stock and barrel. One of these days I need to research more on how to proper fit a rifle. You guys know of any websites or books on hthe subject??? [/QUOTE]
Bend your arm to 90 degrees and place the recoil pad in the crook of your elbow. Trigger and grip should fall right where your hand is, measure from unflexed bicep (with arm crooked to 90deg) to your normal trigger pull point. You might have to work with that a bit and maybe get someone to assist. Most factory rifles come with about a 13.5in length of pull, trying to meet the needs of the "average shooter". I am only 5'8" but have a longer than normal reach(good for boxing). My LOP is 14.25-14.5", but I can adjust for average rifle stocks. However, IF your length of pull really is short, you should show a tendency to group to the right of your point of aim. It is possible you have adjusted over time, but your grouping does not show that indication/tendency. Heavy clothing tends to have an impact, which is why people should practice with the gear they are going to wear while hunting/shooting in order to get a good feel for real field conditions. |
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Is a Conquest 4.5-14x44. I wouldn't have worried so much except for the side focus. It seems to be ok though.
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Reloder® 17Smokeless Short Magnum RifleWith Reloder 17 reloaders have a powder that meters easy and consistently while providing maximum velocity even in extreme weather. This consistent performance is what reloaders have come to expect from Alliant Powder - and Reloder 17 doesn't disappoint.
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Bend your arm to 90 degrees and place the recoil pad in the crook of your elbow. Trigger and grip should fall right where your hand is, measure from unflexed bicep (with arm crooked to 90deg) to your normal trigger pull point. You might have to work with that a bit and maybe get someone to assist. Most factory rifles come with about a 13.5in length of pull, trying to meet the needs of the "average shooter". I am only 5'8" but have a longer than normal reach(good for boxing). My LOP is 14.25-14.5", but I can adjust for average rifle stocks. However, IF your length of pull really is short, you should show a tendency to group to the right of your point of aim. It is possible you have adjusted over time, but your grouping does not show that indication/tendency. Heavy clothing tends to have an impact, which is why people should practice with the gear they are going to wear while hunting/shooting in order to get a good feel for real field conditions.
[/QUOTE] Thanks Kick! I have heard "length of pull" mentioned here a couple of times but don't / didn't know what was meant by it. If I understand you correctly I should measure from the middle of the relaxed bicep to trigger pull point with elbow bent at 90, correct? Define Normal trigger pull point for me. Is it with trigger finger curled as if resting on trigger? If so, My LOP is 15.75" +/- Told ya, I have 38" long ape arms. I did add a limb saver butt pad to the stock that added about 1.5-2" to stock length. Is it possible I dialed out the right pull tendency when I sighted in the gun? I sighted in shouldering gun and using sandbags on forstock. Edited by budperm - February/26/2009 at 19:52 |
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Posted: February/26/2009 at 19:48 |
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Hey Bud look not right again! [/QUOTE] WHOOOPS, my bad transposed numbers, so sorry Reloder® 17Smokeless Short Magnum RifleWith Reloder 17 reloaders have a powder that meters easy and consistently while providing maximum velocity even in extreme weather. This consistent performance is what reloaders have come to expect from Alliant Powder - and Reloder 17 doesn't disappoint.
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Is it possible I dialed out the right pull tendency when I sighted in the gun? I sighted in shouldering gun and using sandbags on forstock. [/QUOTE]
Yes, normal trigger pull point is as you described, at least as taught to me. However, if you added 1.5 - 2.0in to a "normal" rifle stock, that should be right at 15.0-15.5in. The "generalization" says that a person 6'2" tall should have a LOP of about 14in, but that is just a generalization. Without a butt pad, I think you would be very uncomfortable shooting. That is a LONG reach... ever think of boxing? People who have long arms generally need a longer LOP. There are more complex and "accurate" methods used by the benchrest guys to determine your ideal LOP. Many of the tactical-type stocks have adjustable LOP with 4 inches or more of travel from about a 13.5 to 13.75in center. That might be an option... you can get some drop-in tactical style stocks at a pretty reasonable price. I believe, even after sighting in, you would have a tendency to group right, at least in follow-up shooting sessions. It is possible that you have become accustomed to the shorter stock lengths since you have probably shot with them all your life, and in sighting in you are correcting out the tendency. You would be, I think, more comfortable with a custom stock, built to your LOP or perhaps an adjustable. Might tighten your groups (which from shown are not that bad) up. LOP is not the only consideration in fitting a stock and has gone from an art to a true science. |
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[/QUOTE] Thanks Kick! I have heard "length of pull" mentioned here a couple of times but don't / didn't know what was meant by it. If I understand you correctly I should measure from the middle of the relaxed bicep to trigger pull point with elbow bent at 90, correct? Define Normal trigger pull point for me. Is it with trigger finger curled as if resting on trigger? If so, My LOP is 15.75" +/- Told ya, I have 38" long ape arms. I did add a limb saver butt pad to the stock that added about 1.5-2" to stock length. Is it possible I dialed out the right pull tendency when I sighted in the gun? I sighted in shouldering gun and using sandbags on forstock. [/QUOTE]
Yes, normal trigger pull point is as you described, at least as taught to me. However, if you added 1.5 - 2.0in to a "normal" rifle stock, that should be right at 15.0-15.5in. The "generalization" says that a person 6'2" tall should have a LOP of about 14in, but that is just a generalization. Without a butt pad, I think you would be very uncomfortable shooting. That is a LONG reach... ever think of boxing? People who have long arms generally need a longer LOP. There are more complex and "accurate" methods used by the benchrest guys to determine your ideal LOP. Many of the tactical-type stocks have adjustable LOP with 4 inches or more of travel from about a 13.5 to 13.75in center. That might be an option... you can get some drop-in tactical style stocks at a pretty reasonable price.
I believe, even after sighting in, you would have a tendency to group right, at least in follow-up shooting sessions. It is possible that you have become accustomed to the shorter stock lengths since you have probably shot with them all your life, and in sighting in you are correcting out the tendency. You would be, I think, more comfortable with a custom stock, built to your LOP or perhaps an adjustable. Might tighten your groups (which from shown are not that bad) up.
LOP is not the only consideration in fitting a stock and has gone from an art to a true science.
AS for boxing, I found out in judo that I have a glass jaw.
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