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Originally posted by helo18 helo18 wrote:

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I used to be the type that always thought faster was better.  I will still push it as fast as I can without pressure signs, and loss of accuracy.  With my 270, shooting 140 gr rounds, it shot better at faster velocities (smaller groups).  With 150 gr, I had to back off to get good groups.  Then I moved and no longer have a loading bench (which I am starting to plan out) and have not been able to play like I used to do.  If you like you loads where they are, and feel no need to go up, then stay where you are.  I will see if I can get ahold of some RL-17 and do some loading off my own with the 130 gr Innerbonds.  Keep us posted as to how your new batch shoots.
 
Well quit stalling Andy, Get that bench set-up!  I am sure there are times when you can't be buzzing the countryside in the eggbeater.  God you must get to enjoy some truely Awesome scenery it that thing!  Shooting, hunting and flying, oh and the occasional trout stream  ...now that's lovin life!
 
 
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I've noticed with my .308 after about 2775 fps with 168s the groups tend to open back up. So I think your right faster is not always better.
 


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Originally posted by Steelbenz Steelbenz wrote:

I've noticed with my .308 after about 2775 fps with 168s the groups tend to open back up. So I think your right faster is not always better.
 
  Since I started this adventure (reloading) in January, the 1st 2 books I bought were Hornady's 7th Edition and Lee's 2nd Edition on Loading since I decided to start with Lee's equipment.  I believe that in the lee's book he always indicates the load that produces the smallest groupings and that it is seldom the hottest load. It seemed that for his equipmnet it was usually 1 to 1.5gr below Max.  now I know that it will vary from caliber to caliber, gun model to model, manuf to manuf etc... So its barrel specific behavior.  Thats half the fun on shooting and reloading is to find the sweet spot for each bullet weight & type as well as powder & primer combos.  Oh and lets NOT forget, lot to lot changes of powder.  all this for each gun you have.  One gun has been keeping me busy so far.  Thats why I started a 3 ring binder saving targets and notes during development.  Since I plan on having multiple loads for each gun I will transfer the end results to a reloading bible.
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Bud,
 
One more variable to play with is seating depth.  When you get your powder charge where you want it, you might close the group up some more by working with the seating depth.  I have had ver ygood results by moving in or out as little as 10 thousandths.
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Originally posted by geezer geezer wrote:

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One more variable to play with is seating depth.  When you get your powder charge where you want it, you might close the group up some more by working with the seating depth.  I have had ver ygood results by moving in or out as little as 10 thousandths.
 
Good point geeze, right now I have the die set to seat Nosler ballistic tips 0.015" off the lands.  I am willing to bet that the interbonds are probably a little farther off due to the difference in ogive.  Once I shoot the reloads I loaded yesterday, I'll play with the seating depth.  it would be interesting to do a 4 corner study with various depths and loads and see how they plot out.  I would be willing to venture that there is a optimal load for each depth.  I may run out of bullest again at this rate. LOL


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Bud, you asked about preassure signs. I'm sure RONK can expand on this, but some of them to watch for are: flattened and/or cratered primers, stiff or hard to lift bolt. There are more, but one thing I like to do is measure the casehead at the web. I measure the casehead after full length sizing. After firing I measure the casehead again, if the casehead increases .001-.002 then the load is probably ok. Anything over .002 is getting into high preassure. I'm one of those conservative folks, so I like to stop when the load goes from .001 to .002. This keeps me in the mid-range of the loading data for the most part, but I still got my face and my rifle (knock on wood).
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Originally posted by BeltFed BeltFed wrote:

Bud, you asked about preassure signs. I'm sure RONK can expand on this, but some of them to watch for are: flattened and/or cratered primers, stiff or hard to lift bolt. There are more, but one thing I like to do is measure the casehead at the web. I measure the casehead after full length sizing. After firing I measure the casehead again, if the casehead increases .001-.002 then the load is probably ok. Anything over .002 is getting into high preassure. I'm one of those conservative folks, so I like to stop when the load goes from .001 to .002. This keeps me in the mid-range of the loading data for the most part, but I still got my face and my rifle (knock on wood).
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Thanks for the info and tips.  We are on the same page as far as safety goes on guns or anything that is held that close to your face.  As long as they group well, I am happy  the rest is windage and knowing your limits.  Cool
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i would recommend you try using sierra bullets
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

i would recommend you try using sierra bullets
 
Haven't really researched Sierra bullets... What's so special about them?
I originally set my sights on Hornady SSTs because I wanted a bullet that would perform well at the range and hunting.  SSTs with their poly ballistic tip and boat tail seem to be just the ticket and at $25 per 100 reasonible.  I started with Nosler BTs simply because they were available an a close copy of the SSTs ballistically.
 
Both Grafs and competitor just restocked 130gr ssts in 277
 


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ask trigger about his recent success with sierra, ive been using them for years, they have to be the most accurate bullets you can buy for there price, and i havent ever had a sierra fail me.
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  The pressure warning signs I watch out for are these:
 
 Unusually sharp recoil or muzzle blast.
 
 A fall-off in accuracy.
 
 Difficult bolt lift/extraction.
 
 Primers are flattened, sometimes out to the edges of the primer pocket.
 
 Primers are cratered; this is a little difficult to describe.  It's almost as if the primer started to ooze itself around the exposed firing pin. It may show up as a tiny burr around the firing pin impression on the fired primer. This can be exascerbated by a worn firing pin or an oversized firing pin hole in the bolt face.
 
 Pierced primers.
 
A shiny spot on the head of the fired case head, which upon inspection corresponds to the ejector slot or hole in the bolt face, (depending on the rifle).
 This is caused by high pressure pushing the cartride case brass so far into the bolt face that a small amount is actually sheared off when the bolt is rotated by lifting the bolt handle, the case itself still stuck to the chamber walls until the bolt is rotated further. There may be tiny brass shavings in the action and/or in the ejector slot of the bolt when this occurs.
 
Loose primers. This is usually evident in the priming process during the next loading. This is caused by the case head expansion mentioned by Belt Fed.
I usually don't measure for that, but it is certainly a very good idea, as long as you know what your "before" measurement is to compare it to the "after"..
 
 
 Rifle turns to shrapnel upon firing. Eek This is a definite warning sign!
 
 I'm sure there are others, but those are what I watch for.


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Thanks guys.  I learned some new things to check for...Glad I asked.
 
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Originally posted by RONK RONK wrote:

  The pressure warning signs I watch out for are these:
 
  
 Rifle turns to shrapnel upon firing. Eek This is a definite warning sign!
 
 I'm sure there are others, but those are what I watch for.
That doesn't mean throw 5 more grains of powder at it!??? I must have gotten confused somewhere.Big Smile
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Originally posted by budperm budperm wrote:

Thanks guys.  I learned some new things to check for...Glad I asked.
 
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Originally posted by RONK RONK wrote:

Originally posted by budperm budperm wrote:

Thanks guys.  I learned some new things to check for...Glad I asked.
 
The only stupid question is teh unasked one!
 
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 I don't know where I got it, but it seemed to fit.
 Glad you took it the right way, Bud!
 
 
 
 Oh , while I have your attention, I think the Remington in your sig line is a Scoremaster, not Scopemaster. Just thought somebody would have pointed that out by now.
 You have some nice firearms, my friend!
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Originally posted by RONK RONK wrote:

  Just thought somebody would have pointed that out by now.
 
 
He harassed me the first time I saw him here, and I haven't paid any attention to him since!Wink
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Originally posted by trigger29 trigger29 wrote:

Originally posted by RONK RONK wrote:

  Just thought somebody would have pointed that out by now.
 
 
He harassed me the first time I saw him here, and I haven't paid any attention to him since!Wink
   Trigger.....Dude....yer killin me!!!Smile 
 
I'll have to check the remy,  It was my grandpa's and now my son has it.  It still drives tacks!  Son's home tonight from college for weekend so I'll find out where it is hidden.
I doubt if you guys are wrong my memory being what it is.
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Bud, it's a bummer gettin' old ain't it?     what were we talkin' about!!!   LOL
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Originally posted by Steelbenz Steelbenz wrote:

Bud, it's a bummer gettin' old ain't it?     what were we talkin' about!!!   LOL
 
I AM NOT OLD!!!   I am well seasoned! Wink
 
It has been a busy year, turned 50 and my daughter made me grandpa!
The grandpa label I am STILL not used too! LOL Kid's 3 months old so I have
a little time before the verbal barrage starts.  Still undecided on what to have him call me!  Pap pap, gramps (ugh), etc.  Any suggestions guys???  I know I am gonna regret this! Bucky
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Aw hell, I might as wel make it a string in Ed's world.
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How about, Hey freekin old guy? I got some more, but the bad word filter would fall on me.
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Originally posted by BeltFed BeltFed wrote:

How about, Hey freekin old guy? I got some more, but the bad word filter would fall on me.
 
 
Whats the matter???  Hate getting old?
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I remember now Comedian Paul Lynde.  play on Hollywood Squares, Bewitched and more.
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 Paul Lynde was a scream.  The quickest wit ever.
 There was once a question posed to him on one of those shows: "Which is pregnant for a longer period of time, your wife or your elephant?"
 
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 "WHO TOLD YOU ABOUT MY ELEPHANT??!!"
 
 I laugh out loud whenever I think of that.
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