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What is the best brand of 1911s? Colt? Wilson Combat? Springfield Armory? Kimber? --Bboy623
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I'd get a Colt or Rock River.  If not worried about value then Springfield. 1911 Man may offer his own ideas on the subject.  He knows them all better than anyone here. 
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This is like debating did the chicken come first or the egg.
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Of the brands you listed, it's a no brainer, Wilson Combat gets my vote.
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I didn't know Rock River was still making .45s....for some odd reason I thought they closed up shop on them, I looked at one a couple years ago and passed because money was a little tight.  And if money was tight back then I don't know what to call the situation I'm in now. 
Wilson Combat is one of the best in my book, but having shot a Springfield  worked over by the in house custom shop I gotta say they do good work also.

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Yea, I was wanting a Colt...maybe no other reason than the name. I was looking online last night an really like the Wilson Combat QCB Compact 1911 they have. Its gonna be a little while before i get on though as I'm looking for a scope my my 30-06 and also a gun safe. Thanks for the replies guys--Bboy623
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Get Your Popcorn Ready  one word................Kimber
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Not to jump on SVT, but I'd avoid Kimber, their success has made them sloppy, they send out guns that should never pass QC.

As said above, Springfield wins the "best bang for buck" contest, no question, their guns are well made and with generally good parts. Frame-to-slide fit is good.

Colts sell on name, they aren't at the top and haven't been for awhile.  They ain't bad, but you can get better - and almost always for less.

Wilson Combat makes a fine gun, I would recommend their 1911s without qualification.  Also, look at Nighthawk, I have a T3 for daily carry and couldn't be happier, very accurate, handles great, exceptional workmanship.

Are you looking for a commander-length, general purpose gun or is something specific needed? 

It costs a little more over time, but getting a standard issue Springfield and changing the things that need changing is a good route, I've done that a few times, and ended up with some damn fine handguns.
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Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

Not to jump on SVT, but I'd avoid Kimber, their success has made them sloppy, they send out guns that should never pass QC.

As said above, Springfield wins the "best bang for buck" contest, no question, their guns are well made and with generally good parts. Frame-to-slide fit is good.

Colts sell on name, they aren't at the top and haven't been for awhile.  They ain't bad, but you can get better - and almost always for less.

Wilson Combat makes a fine gun, I would recommend their 1911s without qualification.  Also, look at Nighthawk, I have a T3 for daily carry and couldn't be happier, very accurate, handles great, exceptional workmanship.

Are you looking for a commander-length, general purpose gun or is something specific needed? 

It costs a little more over time, but getting a standard issue Springfield and changing the things that need changing is a good route, I've done that a few times, and ended up with some damn fine handguns.
 
Thats why i sat back with the popcorn,  Mine is an older kimber and is a hellof a gun, I too have seen the newer ones come sloppy.
 
And you ain't kidding about the springfields, Mace has a new basic model for right at $550.00 on sale right now.
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Nighthawk Customs makes a good 1911 I hear as well.
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I've got a Fusion Firearms bobtailed Commander coming soon. It blows the Kimber's out of the water...IMO. Pricewise, they are a bit less than Baer, Wilson and NH. I really wanted a Volkmann but couldn't swing it now. 
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SVT, I know, but wanted to avoid someone taking your post to mean Kimber is the way to go.

They ain't.
One nice thing about the 1911 craze is that there are far more options now than there were 10 years ago.  back then, it was hand checkering and full-on custom guns.  Now, you can get a loaded Springfield for a decent price and it is all the gun most will ever need or want.

I've shot one Les Baer, it was nice, well made.  I've seen a few Volksmann, even a Vickers or 2, there are some really nice handguns out there.

All that aside, a 1911 is not a beginners gun.  If you are not well trained and certain of your willing ness to put many rounds down range, do not get a 1911.
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A PM has indicated I need to clarify that last little bit: 1911 not for beginners.

For a plinking gun, it is great (though not inexpensive as a high-volume shooter.)  My comments were directed at the defensive use of a 1911.

The simplicity of a glock or other striker-fired handgun makes them good for learning, and the trigger pull at 9 pounds makse accidental discharges that much more difficult - but morons still manage to do it.  A 1911, with a single-action 3-pound trigger pull, is very dangerous in the hands of the untrained as it goes off when 3 pounds of pressure is applied to the trigger.  Three pounds ain't much!
Also, some fear the "round in the chamber, weapon on safe, hammer cocked" or "Condition 1" carry, so they lower the hammer - very dangerous!  The simple act of dropping the hammer is dangerous.  Then with the hammer down on a live round, the chances of an accidental discharge are exponentially higher than the chances of an accidental discharge with the hammer cocked.  The gun is made to be carried with a round in the chamber and the hammer cocked.  It was made as a combat weapon, not a purse gun.

So long as the user is dedicated to spending the time training with the gun, all is well.  I wouldn't buy it for an elderly woman wanting something to use in defense of her home against a home invasion.

Learn from a pro, shoot it allot, and take care of the gun, and a 1911 cannot be beat.  Take any one of those 3 out of the equation, and it is a recipe for disaster in defense shooting scenarios.

lastly, FBI crime stats show that in shooting scenarios, if your gun is taken from you and does not ahve an external safety, you have approximately 3 seconds to regain control of the weapon before the bad guy discharges it (potentially at you.)  If the weapon has an exteranl safety and is taken, you have approximately 17 seconds to regain control (if the safety is on) before the bad guy discharges it.  My carry guns ahve external safetys, and the safety is on till about half a second before the trigger is pulled.  Three pounds ain't much, and when adrenalin is pumping, it is really far less than you think.  Far less!

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Colt will give you a higher percentage return.  I don't like a lot of the items on the package guns.  I'd rather get the base gun and then get it tuned to my liking.
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RC, dont all 1911's have a secondary hammer postiton that locks into place about 1/4 cocked to 1/2 cocked?  I know my kimber does if you slightly pull the hammer back from it being down it will lock into a position a force couldn't hit it and smack the primer on a round if loaded.    I agree 100% that they are to be carried with the "cocked and locked" position just curious for my own knowledge?

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Yes, "most" (if not all) have a half-cock safety lip, but I am referring to hammer down (not cocked) carry being far more dangerous than a cocked carry.  Most people are accustomed the double/single-action, so they "assume" a cocked carry is dangerous.  (Had an idiot teen approach a friend and me and tell the friend - LE - his gun was cocked, thinking he probably didn't realize.  He knew 2 things: the gun was cocked, 2.  the teen was a moron.
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Decocking a single action is in reality probably more likely to cause an ND than anything.  It wouldn't be to hard for that little hammer spur to slip while your finger is on the trigger.  And Kaboom, now you have a hole in your floor, which would probably be the best scenario.  
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Off topic, but only a little: the same friend (now a BORTAC agent and qualified sniper) was dropping the hammer on a Borwning Hi-Power (notorious for strong hammer springs- and also a single-action auto, like the 1911) and put a round through his leg and into a trucks transmission.  Truck never ran right again, and the friend wears a scar to show why dropping the hammer on a single-action is best NEVER done without  the gun pointed at a target.

And the reason a 1911 with hammer down on a live round is dangerous is that the 1911A1s (original internals) have nothing blocking the hammer from the primer, just a spring that is made to compress.  If you strike the down hammer with a moderate amount of force, the hammer strikes the piring pin and the firing pin finds the primer and you have, intentionally or otherwise, loosed the dogs of war.  Newer guns, Colt Model 80-series, I think, have a firing pin block to prevent this, but it ain't right, changing John Browning's design.  If you can't handle the real deal, buy a Glock and manage the terrible trigger pull and acute grip angle.
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Most of the major manufacturers have a firing pin block of one sort or another on 1911's.  Colt, Sig, Para, Kimber and S&W use some sort of firing pin block.
Also, I haven't seen too many production models, other than target, that have three pound triggers. Most are five to six.
I have found that there are many excellent makes in 1911. The big name folks like Wilson make excellent guns.
For return on a standard manufacturer, the Colts seem to command higher prices from my shopping experience.
The Springfields that my friends have just shoot and shoot. They work all the time they say.
My Colt is over fifty years old. It has been polished and throated, that's it. It eats all of the ammo I care to shoot in it. No gonzo stuff, though.
My other Colt was another war time gun that I sold. It brought good money, too.
A good site for info is http://forum.m1911.org/  I don't know when I last posted there but they have a lot of good stuff.
I have also belonged to http://forums.1911forum.com/index.php  They have also been helpful with 1911 research.

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Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

Decocking a single action is in reality probably more likely to cause an ND than anything.  It wouldn't be to hard for that little hammer spur to slip while your finger is on the trigger.  And Kaboom, now you have a hole in your floor, which would probably be the best scenario.  
 
 
I gotta wonder about some of y'all... IF there is a round in the chamber why are you lowering the hammer?  Just thumb up the safety.  Then if you are lowering the hammer why are you not pinching the hammer between the thumb and the first finger knuckle using the knuckle to block the hammer face? Why do you not removed you finger from the trigger housing after you have tripped the sear?  40 years with hammer guns and over 25 with 1911's what do I know?  
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I have done my share of de-cocking 1911's and BHP's in the last thirty five years. I have also had an accidental discharge in my house. There is a dent inside my safe wall as a reminder of being stupid. I prefer to leave them cocked.
I even like my USP that way and it can safely be de-cocked.

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Carry cocked and locked, disengage both safety's and squeeze the trigger only when you intend to put a hole in the target, all other times keep both safety's engaged and keep your finger out side the trigger guard and you'll have no problems.
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Originally posted by tahqua tahqua wrote:

I have done my share of de-cocking 1911's and BHP's in the last thirty five years. I have also had an accidental discharge in my house. There is a dent inside my safe wall as a reminder of being stupid. I prefer to leave them cocked.
I even like my USP that way and it can safely be de-cocked.


holy cow doug did that scare the hell out of you or what?Shocked
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Its not a question if you will have an AD- the only question is when and where-- if you have been trained correctly it will be in a safe direction and no one will be hurt.
Going from condition 1 - to condition 3 - and back again is pretty normal in the real carry of a 1911- jeez I know guys who carry in condition 4.
Kimber's with the II in the name aren't as good as the original.
Colt doesn't make their guns, in a factory like they used to, the ones made today are far better guns, but because it says Colt doesn't make it a better gun.
Most firing pin blocks will stop a discharge in the hammer down drop test, but the trigger pull is off, sometimes the hammer fall energy will used in moving the blocker that last little bit to clear the firing pin. Some like the S&W move the block with the grip safety instead of the trigger, better approach.
If you want a top-flight gun, buy the parts, Bar-Sto barrels, STI triggers, titanium sear groups, choose your frame, and slide and have it measured for specifications.  Take it to a good smith etc.  Why not? your willing to do it for a rifle.
 
 
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