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Anyone out there know the best way to remove some pretty heavy rust from a World War two fine Colt 45.   Any help would be appreciated.  Trying to do another friend a favor.
 
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is it blued?? or rather was it blued??
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Originally posted by Pred6D 1CD Pred6D 1CD wrote:

Anyone out there know the best way to remove some pretty heavy rust from a World War two fine Colt 45.   Any help would be appreciated.  Trying to do another friend a favor.
 
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Depending on what you hope the finished product to be.
 
If you plan to do a complete refinish because it's condition is to far gone to warrant not doing so. Then you can afford to be reasonably aggresive. Get one of the fiber abrasive wheels from low's and take as much rust and finish as you can down to a shine. Then you'll have to use emery paper with medium grit to get the nooks and what was missed by the wheel. After you've removed all rust and finish you can clean it up with a medium steel wool followed by a fine wool. When you've buffed with steel wool till your sick of it. Then you can get some Birchwood casey cold blue past and apply with fine steel wool according to tube instructions.
 
If you are attempting to remove rust but preserve it's origonial condition, then make sure you feel ok with risking value. You almost need jewelers tools for this. Be very specific about each area of damage. It sounds like the rust is bad enough to result in pitting. "It is what it is". The goal is to expose only the damaged areas and pits, taking it to metal. IF THE FINISH IS ALREADY LOST. You may have mixed area of finish that needs to be spared. Once the repair spots are clear and clean, then you can spot in some blue paste with a tooth pick or Q-tip depending area size. Odds are the color will not match exact, but you can get close.
 
Or send it to a relic restoration and have a certified restoration done and admire your prise.
 
Let us know what you end up doing. It would be cool to see some before and after pics.
 
Good Luck!  Thunbs%20Up


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 There are lots of ways... Some destructive.  Depends on the gun and how bad it is rusting.   Pulling the grips and soaking it for a few days in some ligher fluid is a reasonable start.  That should at least hold the rust.  I would think about sending it in to some place like Ford's if it is not too pitted.
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What is the easiest way to post some pics
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Could of had Blueing at one time, but may have been parkerized.

The rust is pretty bad.  I would love to post some pics for you guys, but don't quite know how to go about it. 
 
Don't know if I want to take on the job of refinishing the weapon, cause I think I would harm it more than helping it.   Its a fine weapon, had someone taken better care of it.  Its still pretty nice, even if its rusted up a bit.  Serial numbers do not match, but both say it was made in 1943. 
 
I have had it soaking in Break Free, and thought about the steel wool, brass wool, or bronze wool route.  What do you guys think.  I really wish you could see it.  If anyone has any ideas about the pictures being inserted let me know.  THanks so much.
 
 
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Here are the pics from Pred6D 1CD.
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I gotta say, I've seen alot worse. The pics are hard to read but I'd say go with a complete refinish. Not that it's so bad, but considering top value if origonal condition could be salvaged wouldn't be much higher than any functioning 1911. If that came to me in the shop I'm doing some repairs for. You'd get it back refinished and if everything is in decent condition, ready for the range for 60.00 low end 100.00 high end. If I'm reading the pics right.
I would opt for another magizine even though that one could probably be made useable.
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The frame is not bad at all.  The Slide may be a differant story.  The question then becomes one of what is it worth to fix? What level of fixed do you want?

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At this point of damage, the likelihood of ever getting it back to the collector quality may be lost. If that is the case, remember that it can still be a great side arm. I would use naval jelly on the rust, then have the pistol wire wheel buffed and parkerized.
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Originally posted by cyborg cyborg wrote:

At this point of damage, the likelihood of ever getting it back to the collector quality may be lost. If that is the case, remember that it can still be a great side arm. I would use naval jelly on the rust, then have the pistol wire wheel buffed and parkerized.
 
 
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Very good option, I'd gladly carry that.
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I would gladly carry that as well. Collector quality or not as long as it functions,, OH YEAH!!!!!
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If you could narrow down where you live within a state or two we maybe able to help you find somebody to refinish it.
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Silver, Cyborg, and Sgt. D.   First of all thanks so much for all the help.  Sgt. D.  Thanks for taking care of me and putting the pics out.   They speak volumes.  I live in NC.  It functions fine now, but looks like heck.  I took it out the day he brought it to me and put several through it.  Its amazing what a little oil will do now and then.  Any recommendations on someone who might be able to refinish it?  I have a couple around here who might.  But if someone has had the work done before and knows a honest person to handle it, I am all ears.  Thanks again.
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Sgt. D,
Where, or Are you still in.  What Branch.  NCO's the Backbone of the Military,  HOOOOAAAHHH. 
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I'm still in for the moment. Trying to negotiate some deployable profiles vs a medical discharge. Currently in the NC National Guard. Was the only thing open to prior service at my age at the time. My MP unit recently returned in June, a hard mission that I was held back from. I'll make the next one or be a civilian. Proud to be one and a position that demands the highest standard. Something I'm dissappointed to say some E-5, 6 and 7's fail to comprehend. Holding the rank doesn't make an NCO. Soldiers will follow a NCO anywhere. A rank holder is often at risk of being alone or the first casualty. You'd think after a couple hundred yrs. That would be common knowledge.
Thanks for the HOOOOAAAHHH! It's always appreciated.
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Sweet Sgt, I was in between 92 to 95 B Battery 26th FA, 1 CD,  Started as an 82 C, cross trained into a 19 D, (Loved every minute of it).  Made E-4 P.  But lacked PLDC before getting out.   I saw the big sand box for about six months during Operation Iris Gold.  Pretty hot place.  The part your talking about is the part  I miss.  Some expect, Some Preach, and some just plane demand.  I like the NCO's who command by example, I'd follow them thru hell and back.  Sitting here right now watching Heart Break Ridge.  Makes me miss it more.   The words Thank you are a small but heart felt offer in a Society that has seemingly forgotten what got us where we are today.  But my Son will always know and both my daughters.  Thanks again for your service to the greatest country in the world.  Also thanks again for the offer.  I will get back with you asap.  Airborne
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Originally posted by Pred6D 1CD Pred6D 1CD wrote:

Sweet Sgt, I was in between 92 to 95 B Battery 26th FA, 1 CD,  Started as an 82 C, cross trained into a 19 D, (Loved every minute of it).  Made E-4 P.  But lacked PLDC before getting out.   I saw the big sand box for about six months during Operation Iris Gold.  Pretty hot place.  The part your talking about is the part  I miss.  Some expect, Some Preach, and some just plane demand.  I like the NCO's who command by example, I'd follow them thru hell and back.  Sitting here right now watching Heart Break Ridge.  Makes me miss it more.   The words Thank you are a small but heart felt offer in a Society that has seemingly forgotten what got us where we are today.  But my Son will always know and both my daughters.  Thanks again for your service to the greatest country in the world.  Also thanks again for the offer.  I will get back with you asap.  Airborne
 
 
 
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