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It looks like all 17 HMR Semi auto manufactures are recalling there rifles. All 17 HMR ammunition manufactures are issuing warnings not to use 17 HMR in any semi auto firearm. Letters simular to the federal warning below is on all of there websites as of 8/20/09.

17 HMR AMMUNITION PRODUCT SAFETY NOTICE AND WARNING

August 20, 2009

Dear Customer:

Do not use 17 HMR ammunition in semi-automatic firearms. Use of 17 HMR ammunition in semi-automatic firearms may result in serious personal injury or property damage.

17 HMR ammunition is manufactured in accordance with standards issued by the Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufactures’ Institute (SAAMI). Subsequent to the design and introduction of 17 HMR ammunition to the market, 17 HMR semi-automatic firearms were introduced by various firearm manufacturers. Those firearms have proven to be incompatible with 17 HMR ammunition. 17 HMR ammunition is suitable for use in quality firearms in good condition that are not semi-automatic.

Accordingly, do not use 17 HMR ammunition in semi-automatic firearms. Only use 17 HMR in modern firearms in good condition marked for 17 HMR cartridges. Always use eye and ear protection. Always read all product labeling carefully for instructions on safe use.

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 I wonder what the problem is?
 
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Here is the Remington Recall. The recall is only on FIREARMS.
 

PRODUCT SAFETY WARNING
AND RECALL NOTICE

17 HMR AMMUNITION AND MODEL 597® HMR SEMI-AUTOMATIC

 

DO NOT USE REMINGTON 17 HMR AMMUNITION IN SEMI-AUTOMATIC FIREARMS.

DO NOT USE THE REMINGTON MODEL 597 HMR SEMI-AUTOMATIC RIFLE.

Remington has been notified by its supplier of 17 HMR ammunition that 17 HMR ammunition is not suitable for use in semi-automatic firearms. The use of this ammunition in a semi-automatic firearm could result in property damage or serious personal injury.

If you have a semi-automatic firearm chambered for 17 HMR ammunition, immediately discontinue use of Remington 17 HMR ammunition. If you have any Remington 17 HMR ammunition that you wish to return to Remington contact the Remington Consumer Service number below. Do not return the ammunition to the dealer. Remington will provide you with a $10.00 coupon for each complete box of 50 rounds of Remington branded 17 HMR ammunition you return to Remington. This coupon will be good for the purchase of any Remington ammunition at your local dealer.

In light of the ammunition manufacturer’s notice, it is very important that you immediately stop using your Remington Model 597 17 HMR semi-automatic rifle. If you own a Remington Model 597 17 HMR semi-automatic rifle and wish to return it to Remington please contact the below Remington Consumer Service Number. In return for your Remington Model 597 17 HMR synthetic stock semi-automatic rifle, Remington will provide you a coupon valued at $200.00 good for the purchase of a replacement Remington firearm. If you have a laminate stock Remington Model 597 17 HMR semi-automatic rifle, Remington will provide you a coupon valued at $250.00 good for the purchase of a replacement Remington firearm. Remington will also reimburse you for the actual postage to return your Model 597 17 HMR semi-automatic rifle to Remington.

Please allow up to 6 weeks after Remington receives your Model 597 17 HMR semi-automatic rifle or your Remington branded 17 HMR ammunition for the appropriate coupons to arrive. Instructions for redemption of the coupons will be contained on the coupon.

For any consumer questions or instructions on how to return of your Model 597 17 HMR semi-automatic rifle or your Remington branded 17 HMR ammunition, please contact the Remington Consumer Service Department at 1-800-243-9700, Prompt #3.

We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.

Safety First
Always observe the ten commandments of safe gun handling and wear approved eye and ear protection anytime you are shooting.

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Shocked OOOPSIE!!!!!! What gives I wonder? The HMR rds too hot for a semi?
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I'm thinking that it is an issue with the bolt comming back forward stong enoug to detonate the rimfire if the front of the necked down case catches as the bolt closes.  It has to come back further than a 22 which means a heavier more compressed spring zinging that bolt closed.   There are not a whole lot of 22 mags in semi auto either.
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Most likely it is a timing issue with blowback style semi-autos.  With a blowback style action, you don't have locking lugs to keep the breech locked until pressure bleeds off.  The mass of the bolt provides just enough inertial resistance that the bullet has time to exit the barrel and peak pressure bleeds off before the bolt begins to travel rearward.  This works fine for a .22LR, but the .17HMR creates way more pressure.  Early on, when Volquartsen was experimenting with the .17 HMR in their 10/22 style rifles, they were having problems with the .17 HMR cases rupturing because the bolt started opening before pressure bled off.  So, they made the bolts for the .17HMR out of tungsten to increase its mass, which also necessitates a heavier recoil spring.  There have been many reports of .17HMR case ruptures in early blowback semiautos, but I thought the problem had been fixed with the heavier bolts and recoil springs.  Perhaps not entirely.  Basically, it appears the .17 HMR creates borderline too much pressure for a blowback style action.
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Found some post that suggest it is in the thin walls of the case is bulging somewhere in the ejection sequence. Excel Industries and Magnum Research have removed there .17 hmr rifles from the market. Volquartsen still has them on the web site. It was only last week that Remington pulled their rifles, so Volquartsen may just be a little slow. Magnum pulled there rifles back in July. The Excel still has the .22 mag Semi auto and it is a sharp looking rifle.


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Interesting........... Very interesting!
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Originally posted by 3_tens 3_tens wrote:

Found some post that suggest it is in the thin walls of the case is bulging somewhere in the ejection sequence.
 
 
That is due to the aforementioned pressure problems with this round in blowback actions.  This situation doesn't occur with locked breech actions such as a bolt action.  If the bolt starts to open before the bullet exits the barrel, the case begins moving rearward with the bolt, where the pressure is no longer contained by the chamber and the result is the unsupported case bulges or bursts.
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Seems like I read on the www.eabco.com website that case ruptures are quit common with the HMR and Mach 2 with the semi autos.  They even went on to say a left handed person is not to shoot one because of blow backs and shrapnel coming back from the action. 

hmm I found it now, maybe it was just the HM2s.  http://www.eabco.com/ruger1022warnings.htm


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Good information, great post, thanks 3_tens!
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A buddy of mine has a Volquartsen 17HMR with the snake fluted barrel and has fired thousands of rounds through it. It is about three years old. Is he living on barrowed time? Or should I just make sure I am on the other side of the ejection port?
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Make your own decision but this the letter from the Ammunition Manufacturers.

August 20, 2009

Dear Customer:

Do not use 17 HMR ammunition in semi-automatic firearms. Use of 17 HMR ammunition in semi-automatic firearms may result in serious personal injury or property damage.

17 HMR ammunition is manufactured in accordance with standards issued by the Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufactures’ Institute (SAAMI). Subsequent to the design and introduction of 17 HMR ammunition to the market, 17 HMR semi-automatic firearms were introduced by various firearm manufacturers. Those firearms have proven to be incompatible with 17 HMR ammunition. 17 HMR ammunition is suitable for use in quality firearms in good condition that are not semi-automatic.

Accordingly, do not use 17 HMR ammunition in semi-automatic firearms. Only use 17 HMR in modern firearms in good condition marked for 17 HMR cartridges. Always use eye and ear protection. Always read all product labeling carefully for instructions on safe use.

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No recall on Volquartsen so far.

Edited by Average Joe - November/22/2009 at 15:31
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The ammunition manufactures tell you not to use 17 HMR ammunition in any semi-automatic firearm. This warning should be adequate for responsible shooters. Shooting the Volquartsen would be totaly at your own risk. To my knowledge nobody has died from any of the failures.
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I got my 10-22/17 about 6 years ago. Since then I have had at least 1 case not exiting the action and had to clear it manually evey other magazine or so. But I have only had 2 blown up cases.  The last one occurred last month while shooting p dogs.   I am starting to wonder if it may be the ammo. I know they always said the .17 in semi auto woiuld be a problem, but, safety issues asside, I love this little stinger and will continue to place fast moving lead in the direction of furry little critters. PS to you animal rights wackos, they are not so small at 32 X.

Anyone out there with a 10/22/17 that wants to get rid of it-I will buy it!
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