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I'm prepared to hemorrhage cash for a fine pair of bino's. I hunt here in the west so 10x40 is my choice. I'm also sold on the 2X or 3X "doubler" to eliminate the need for carrying a spotting scope.

They all obviously have very clear very brite images.

What I would like to know is this.

Who has the best contrast or ability to distinguish different textured, colored objects from one another. Ie: hunting situations.
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GenauJager -

 

There are definitely different opinions on anything related to the Big 3!  Here is what I would tell you...

 

You will not find a sharper, more contrasty view in the center of the FOV than with the Zeiss FLs.  The problem I have with them is the edge sharpness is so poor the outer 1/3 of the view is simply not usable for me.

 

This brings us to Leica and Swarovski.  I own the ELs, but I think the Leica Ultravids are just a tad better in contrast.  However, I would tell you the SLCs might be slightly better for you, considering the slightly warm color bias, particularly in poor weather conditions.

 

Others will have different opinions for sure.

 

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Originally posted by GenauJager GenauJager wrote:

[Of the 'big 3"]...Who has the best contrast or ability to distinguish different textured, colored objects from one another. Ie: hunting situations.

 

Flip a coin.

 

 

BTW, the doubler/tripler concept is absolutely great and I've been thoroughly impressed with mine. However, while they're definately the "bee's knees" for hiking around steep country, they will not (for most) fulfill all of the tasks of a good, full-size spotting scope. 

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I have a friend that hunts with Leica and two others with Zeiss. I decided to be different and went Swarovski SLC.  The Zeiss FL 's are brighter then my SLC's in the same 10x configuration.  The Leica Trinovid and Swarovski SLC are about the same to me but I like the feel of the SLC's in hand. The Leica just felt like a brick a good image but not as nice in hand as the Swaro.  The higher end Leica's felt good in my hand but never really handled outside of a store.

 

The complaint I had with the Zeiss FL's was that they were too light weight. Light weight is nice when running up and down canyons out here in the west BUT a 10x noc is hard enough to steady and being lighter weight I found myself "bobbing" more with them. a little more weight is a good thing in my opinion .but the image is nice and bright.

 

I love Swarovski to me both the EL's (nice but too much $$$ for me) and the SLC have great ergonomics and feel great in the hand. I like the 'warm image" of the SLC series and while I never had to use their CS but people that have have said the customer service of Swarovski is tops.

 

Zeiss has a transferable warranty so if you can find a great deal on a used pair of Zeiss that might be a good way to save money.

 

All in all you can't make a bad choice all three are good hence the reason they are called the BIG THREE (those three set the standards for what others are judged.) Finally, what some others suggested to me when I was looking last year to consider

 

Bushnell Elites - Never handled so no Idea how good they are (love their scopes) like the EL shaped body..not sure if they are up to the BIG 3 but if you can find a place to get your hands on them..might be another option.

 

Leupold Golden Ring...I personally dont think they are as nice as the BIG THREE some do.....maybe want to look at

 

Nikon Permire LX I have to be honest these were just as nice as the BIG THREE....BUT the price tag is the same as the three my thought was "A new Zo6 Corvette is an awsome car run right there with a Ferarri heck in some cases even faster or better BUT still aint no Ferarri" LOL again just another opion and yes they are also very nice.



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As an outfitter and guide. I am honestly tired of carrying bino's and spotting scope.
Hence the questions on the 2X and 3X "doublers...

I will sacrifice the added weight of top shelf bino's not to have to carry a spotting scope as well.
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For the purpose of guiding you might have to take a spotting scope anyway.  If for no other reason than to keep up the "image" that you are a serious and skilled hunter, worthy of you guiding price.

 

My brother, who does wedding videography on the side, has come up with a similar issue with his filming efforts.  If he takes his older professional Canon video camera everyone at the wedding is at ease and assumes he belongs.  This camera, despite the fact that it provides some incredible images, is however, heavier and bulkier than some other, more modern cameras available today. If/when he pulls out a smaller (though still professional quality) video camera, people start to question him and his ability to provide them with the kind of product they desire. They just assume that if he's using a tiny little camera that looks just like their $250 home video camera (which of course, it is definately not) they could do the same things he is doing (which of course, they cannot.)

 

As a result, he carries both.  He uses the bigger camera most of the time to provide that professional image and then pulls out the smaller cameras when he's just trying to get a more covert/sneaky shot of some of the more intimate (O.K. guys, get your heads out of the gutter!!  ) moments in the wedding.

 

 

I suspect that you might find a similar need to bolster your clients' confidence in you as a guide by having the equipment that in their minds they associate with their image of a high-quality guide.

 

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the swaro el's are really nice - but i have heard nothing but amazing praise about the zeiss top end binos.

 

these boys know what their talkign about, you have some good info here.

 

good luck.

 

for contrast the perigrine XP by steiner are supposed to be extraordinary. but, not the top 3 name.

 

let us konw what you decide.

 

J

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I have heard the Steiner perigrine's are top notch but have yet to converse with anyone has had had ample opportunity to use them.

I completely understand the "image" thing as far a guiding. However, is there something to be said about efficiency without sacrificing ability? 
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Originally posted by GenauJager GenauJager wrote:

I completely understand the "image" thing as far a guiding. However, is there something to be said about efficiency without sacrificing ability? 

 

Only if your clientele recognizes it.

 

I am all the time trying to make my employees understand that our customers/patients make their decisions and form their opinions about us based on their perception of our performance, not on any objective measurement of that performance.

 

 

Wouldn't you hate to guide someone onto a true once-in-a-lifetime "record book" trophy only to have him later suggest to prospective clients that maybe you could have found him something even bettter if only you'd taken more "appropriate" gear?



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GJ, I was in the same boat that you are about a year ago and did quite a bit of research here.  After reading many posts, I decided on Zeiss and bought a Zeiss FL and a  Zeiss Classic 10x40 at Cabelas.  I went out at dusk/night and spent quite a bit of time looking through both and to my untrained eye, could see very little difference but was amazed at the difference between the cheap Nikons I had and these binoculars 

 

Ended up buying a pair of the Classics on the samplelist, and could not be happier.

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