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Well I went to get that stripped lower today.  Was also looking at the parts I would get to go along with the receiver.  I had my heart set on the 10.5 in barrell, I  think it was.  I liked the look of the short barrel.  The kid said to go with the 16 inch barrel, cause it would be a pain in the butt to get the shorter barrel.  Something about a letter from the sheriff and something or other from ATF.  Does that make sense.  If so, that's a bummer, cause I liked the shorter barrel.  Oh well.  Is this a national thing or just arizona?
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It's ten years in the federal pen and ten thousand dollars.  Look up National Firearms Act of 1934.
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16 inch barrel is OK though?  I'll look that up.  Probably a good idea.
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Originally posted by silver silver wrote:

It's ten years in the federal pen and ten thousand dollars.  Look up National Firearms Act of 1934.


That is not true, you just have to fill out some paper work and pay a tax of $200 for each NFA weapon you buy.  Most places that sell NFA weapons such as shorter than 16" barrels and suppressors can and will help you with the paper work you need. 

In a nut shell, yes you have to have a sheriff or judge or local DA sign off paperwork saying they know of no reason why you should not have the particular NFA weapon.  If they deny you in writing the letter they are required by law to give you someone else's name that can also sign off on the paper work.  If all else fails you can create a business or trust and completely pass law enforcement.  As either of those two entities can legally own NFA weapons. 
Once that is done you send in your info to the BATF with $200 per NFA weapon and they do an extensive background check on you and it may take several months then they will send you back info approving you and you can go to the original store and get the item transferred into your name. 

Do a google search for how to buy NFA weapons and you will be able to get tons of knowledge on how to go about it.  Some states do not allow people to own NFA weapons at all, but many of them it is very simple to get.  It just takes a little time and the extra $200 for the tax they charge you.
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Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

Originally posted by silver silver wrote:

It's ten years in the federal pen and ten thousand dollars.  Look up National Firearms Act of 1934.


That is not true, you just have to fill out some paper work and pay a tax of $200 for each NFA weapon you buy.  Most places that sell NFA weapons such as shorter than 16" barrels and suppressors can and will help you with the paper work you need. 

In a nut shell, yes you have to have a sheriff or judge or local DA sign off paperwork saying they know of no reason why you should not have the particular NFA weapon.  If they deny you in writing the letter they are required by law to give you someone else's name that can also sign off on the paper work.  If all else fails you can create a business or trust and completely pass law enforcement.  As either of those two entities can legally own NFA weapons. 
Once that is done you send in your info to the BATF with $200 per NFA weapon and they do an extensive background check on you and it may take several months then they will send you back info approving you and you can go to the original store and get the item transferred into your name. 

Do a google search for how to buy NFA weapons and you will be able to get tons of knowledge on how to go about it.  Some states do not allow people to own NFA weapons at all, but many of them it is very simple to get.  It just takes a little time and the extra $200 for the tax they charge you.
 
Well put Super!Ditto
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No stamp ten years and 10,000.  I did not say that it could not be done... It is not to be done lightly and without understanding the law.  That's why I suggested he check out the law.
 
If you are a corpration or a trust then you do not need the form signed.  Again a good understanding of the law is in order.  You may also want to see the travel restrictions and possable inspection by the law. 
 
It can be done in many, but not, all states and commonwealths.  You should really buy your gun friendly lawyer lunch before hand to understand what you would be getting yourself into.   Me, I'd rather buy some ammo for a friend and let them hold the stamp. 


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Originally posted by silver silver wrote:

You should really buy your gun friendly lawyer lunch before hand to understand what you would be getting yourself into.  


That is very good advice.

But don't be scared about doing it.  Thousands of people do it all the time and own full autos, short barreled rifles and shotguns, and sound suppressors and have no problems at all.  Really what it comes down to is just one more way for the government to tax and have control over us for owning guns. 
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or you could opt for the pistol version trade out the uppers on a plain lower and not get caught, -- forget I said that.
personally advice against it for other reasons, having shot a lot of the 10s the muzzle blast is something out of this world, the 223 shoots at about 50,000 psi, and it is a face full, select fire is something you might try the second time. maybe- but the rd looses so much in ballistics its not worth the effort, at 10 inch you are down to 2200 fps if your lucky,. even if you change powders around and use a reduced load and treat it like a pistol, (faster powder heavy bullets), it takes quite a bit of work to get reliability. much better rds. to go this route, 7.6x39, 458 socom etc
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I went through a 4 day rifle class shooting right next to a guy with a 10.5 inch upper.  The muzzle blast was definitely dramatic LOL, you should have seen it during the night shoot.  But he had no problems with reliability, he was shooting 55 grain American Eagle ammo.  He was using an Eotech and was even able to hit targets back at the 400 yard line with out any problems. 
But myself I would prefer the 16 inch for the same reasons as Dale, more speed and less muzzle blast.  A .223 is a small round anyway, so the more speed you got the better for a CQB weapon.  Also I would rather spend the $200 tax stamp towards a suppressor. 
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I will go with the 16 in barrel.  The muzzle blast, the slower velocity, and especially the 200 dollars and the waiting for the ATF, is a deterant.  They must be legal in AZ, cause there are many at the range I go to,  even fully automatic stuff.  I am impressed with American Spirit Arms in Arizona.  Not only are they close to my house and make all of there stuff on premises, but they were more than willing to answer all my questions, and even offered to help me build it if I had problems.  Nice guys there.  
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In North Carolina you can buy a stripped lower receiver and register it as a pistol.   Then you can put whatever length barrel you want on it.
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This is because a black guy robbed a bank in Oklahoma with a sawed off shotgun. History channel last Sat.  A 16" barrel can't be concealed. per politicians. This is the same logic that says gas fumes can't rise above 18".    Fire Code       I never saw fire that could read.
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