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I can tell you've never shot one much -- anyway so much for the British Empire and such, point is there both examples of  the "if you can see it you can hit" thought, and choosing a any scope in that price (nikon etc)  in comparison to say a scope costing 2x as much and known performer, makes it look pretty bad in comparison to the nikon that costs 7x as much as the smle sight.
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Originally posted by 300 ultramag 300 ultramag wrote:

ok here we go ive gotten lots of replys because theres alot of brand loyal guys here the scope i had was a used 20x42 a few years old mounted on a custom built 7mm ultramag a sub-moa gun the thing was clear as day til you got past 500 or so yds i was shooting 1 inch groups @300 yds and went to 500 and 700 and the targets were hard to see . i pulled it off put on a customers nightforce zeroed it shot 300 500 700 1200 no problems the glass is not even in the same ballpark as the nightforce i have heard some say it was comparable to a nf in my professional opinion not even close


Any 20X scope with a 40mm objective is going to give a not great image beyond 500 yards, it ain't a function of the glass, it is a function of the available light.

Comparing a Nightforce to a $299 scope (any $299 scope) ain't apples to apples.

I would still heartily recommend the S3.


Carry on.
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One thing which is not realy needed past 500yds is too much resolution. Up to 500, then OK extra resolution will help find bullet holes, past that, extra resolution just makes the mirage took too busy. In bright light (Or when mirage is heavy) I fit a 35mm reducer to the front of my 56mm Nightforce and continue to run fairly high magnification. This decreases resolution slightly, which makes mirage easier to see, or just less busy. I am actualy after a high power scope with 40mm objective for 2 reasons. Smaller 40mm objective makes it easier for my left eye to look around the scope and make a last second check of the flags on the RHS of the range. 2nd, the slightly reduced resolution will make the mirage easier to read.
In my area 1000yd shooting is done in the middle of the day, so extra light transmission is not needed. If we start shooting long range at night, or low light, then I will remove the reducer disk and run the whole 56mm objective. 
These are just thoughts from an actual 1000yd shooter, which I have got from tips by regular 1000-1200 yard shooters
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The only SS I compared to a NF is the only one I've used, which is the 3-9...and I will stand by my assertion that the glass in it is just as good. Both the NF and the SS were compared to the glass in a Premier as well and were not that far behind. One down side of having a "professional opinion" seems to be not bothering to read closely anymore. Big Smile For all I know, the older 20X or 10X glass may not be all that great...but then, those are scopes costing a few hundred bucks and they are built to track and take a beating, which has to account for a decent share of the cost.
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Originally posted by 300 ultramag 300 ultramag wrote:

ok here we go ive gotten lots of replys because theres alot of brand loyal guys here the scope i had was a used 20x42 a few years old mounted on a custom built 7mm ultramag a sub-moa gun the thing was clear as day til you got past 500 or so yds i was shooting 1 inch groups @300 yds and went to 500 and 700 and the targets were hard to see . i pulled it off put on a customers nightforce zeroed it shot 300 500 700 1200 no problems the glass is not even in the same ballpark as the nightforce i have heard some say it was comparable to a nf in my professional opinion not even close


Sorry, JonoMT, I was pulling from the above, not your post.

These are details that add color to the original post (which didn't make sense without them.)


All is well.

Carry on.


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open sights at a grand..........wow!
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I shoot more at 600 than I do at 1000 but I have had really good success with open sights on my M1a at 600 and I know that for years they have shot M1a, M14, & Garands at 1000 with open sights.  Monarch scopes dont have enough internal adjustment. The HD model of the Super Sniper is an entirely different beast than the older model 20x I have owned both and granted the old model 20x  a under $300. scope is no match for any of the $2000 +  optics be them Nightforce, USOptics, S&B, Heinsoldt.  None the less I have a 10x HD Super Sniper on one of my thousand yard guns it certainly has plenty of adjustment to get there.
 
SWFA SS 10x42 Tactical Riflescope Mil-Dot SWFA SS 10x42 Tactical Riflescope
Stock # - SS10X42HD
  • Matte
  • Mil-Dot
  • 30mm
  • Rear Focus
  • OK for .50 cal
  • .10 Mrad
  • HD Model
$799.95
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Does that make it the best choice - well that depends because it it one tough scope the glass is awesome a hell of a lot better than the last nightforce I looked through the price is right - but quite frankly 1000 yds is a long way for a 10x scope its just like shooting 100 yds with open sights so you may want high power scope to use but if price limits you it really is a viable option.  Is the S3 a better choice so that you have higher magnification - for some it is. Is the new Vortex Viper PST a good option - I think it will be when it is available but I have not gotten a good look at one however I did like the Vortex Razor  that I looked at at SWFA last week:
 
Vortex 6-24x50 Viper PST 30mm Rifle Scope Vortex 6-24x50 Viper PST 30mm Rifle Scope
Stock # - PST624S1M
  • Matte
  • EBR-1 Mil Reticle
  • 30mm
  • .10 Mil Adjustments
$749.95
Sightron 6-24x50 SIII 30mm Riflescope Mil-Dot Sightron 6-24x50 SIII 30mm Riflescope
Stock # - SIIISS624X50LRMD
  • Matte
  • Mil-Dot
  • 30mm
  • Side Focus
  • Target Knobs
$804.95
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Leupold 4.5-14x40 Mark 4 LR/T 30mm Riflescope Duplex Leupold 4.5-14x40 Mark 4 LR/T 30mm Riflescope
Stock # - LEU56140
  • Matte
  • Duplex
  • 30mm
  • Long Range
  • Side Focus
  • Target Knobs
$754.95
Zeiss 4.5-14x50 Conquest Rifle Scope Rapid Z 1000 Zeiss 4.5-14x50 Conquest Rifle Scope
Stock # - 5214909973
  • Matte
  • Rapid Z 1000
  • 1"
  • Side Focus
  • Target Knobs
  • Etched Glass
  • 2nd Plane
$924.95
Add Zeiss 4.5-14x50 Conquest Rifle Scope to Cart 


Edited by Urimaginaryfrnd - April/13/2010 at 17:15
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well with a 20 or 30 moa rail a monarch has plenty of adjustment not saying id use one for 1000 yd shooting i have not seen any of the new ss hd scopes where are they at?
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The only place you can buy a Super Sniper scope new is SWFA. The statement about putting a 50moa total  internal adjustment scope on a plus 30moa rail and making 1000 is BS though because it does not allow you to dial all the way back down to a 100 yd target.  A 50 moa scope ideally is 25 moa up and 25 moa down.  I have a plus 30moa Badger base on My R5 and there are some scopes that are a whole lot more suitable to tactical work than the monarch that still wont work for a thousand yard gun because they only have 50 moa of internal adjustment.  I got one of the 5-20x 50 Trijicon Accupoints  when they first came out but It would not work for my R5 with the plus 30 moa Badger Base.  Quite frankly you do not want to have a scope screwed all the way to the very limit of its adjustment range and use it there on a regular basis it is simply not good for it.  What state do you live in if you are close to someone that has one you might get a chance to look one over.
I had the 3-9 on this for a while now it has the 10x on it and the 3-9 is on the 300 WM R5


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Originally posted by Urimaginaryfrnd Urimaginaryfrnd wrote:

My first SS was a 20x and the physics of how much light passes through makes them look grey in low light but pretty good in full daylight. The 10x models I have bought looked better.  The 3-9 and the 10x HD are AWESOME there is a huge difference.  I have a 10xHD on my thousand yard gun - so it can be done and one reason is that I strongly believe that fixed power scopes have less to go wrong wiht them. Would I rather have a Heinsoldt - sure but I have to wait for Rancid Coolaid to get tired of his and trade it in.  I sure looked hard at his old USO
 
SPL11660 USOptics 3.2-17X44 SN3 Riflescope DEMO-B
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I was extremely tempted by that piece as well.  I think someone finally bought it...thankfully!
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Yea Rancid Sharp Shooterhas all the cool toys even the new low power vairiable illuminated SS that hasnt been released -- thats the advantage of living driving didstance from SWFA -  Sad - I sure wish I still lived down in Texas.
To get to 1000 you really should have a scope with about 70 + moa of internal adjustment and run it on a plus 20 moa rail but scopes with 100 or more moa like the Leupold 4.5-14 and the Nightforce  and a few other very expensive scopes will do it with a flat  rail.  The plus 30 moa rail can really screw up the works if you dont have at least 70 moa or more internal adjustment where you can run a plus 20 moa with a 50 moa internal adjustment scope.  Sometimes its really tough to get the info out of the manufacturer how much internal adjustment their scope has.  The typical mindset is that cops use sniper rifles at about 80 to 100 yds  so who needs lots of adjustment and the military has such specalized needs that they get pushed into the ultra expensive scopes to meet those needs.  Most shooters think 200yds is a long way cause their ranges dont go past that, even the Army only seems to be concerned with shooting out to 300 yds, but theres not a Marine out there that cant tag you at 600 or make life miserable for you at a thousand with open sights. 
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I don't know if I've ever had a scope specifically just for 1000 yard shooting, but I've done it with two different Nikon Buckmasters.  A 6-18x nikoplex, and a 4.5-14x mildot.  Both were on a 20MOA rail.  I can't justify a $1k scope and those two scopes worked for me.
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Juggle If you want consistency you have to dial in correction and at 1000 yds that requires a lot of internal adjustment. 
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Do we know if this a dedicated 1000 yd gun or just want to reach 1000 yds, on spur of the moment?
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Dunno, original poster bugged out awhile back.

Wes, I know plenty Marines can't hit squat at 500 yards, they wear "pizza boxes" on their chests.  BUT, those pizza boxes are flanked by 2 Marine Corps emblems, which means if they can't shoot for sh*t, they can still beat your ass with anything in the AO, or call in fire that can ruin any day.





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Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

Dunno, original poster bugged out awhile back.

Wes, I know plenty Marines can't hit squat at 500 yards, they wear "pizza boxes" on their chests.  BUT, those pizza boxes are flanked by 2 Marine Corps emblems, which means if they can't shoot for sh*t, they can still beat your ass with anything in the AO, or call in fire that can ruin any day.






This looks like the perfect opportunity to agree with you. :)

This is how every Marine should be adorned. My son has shot expert at both pistols and rifles all of his quals... I'm so proud!


Although my son is most likely to bore someone to death with politeness, he will always have a plan to bring about the real thing, thanks to the training of the Corps.
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To respond to the OP... I just purchased the SS 20X42 for my long range shooter. It does have better glass than the costlier Leupold that it replaced. I actually bought it for the accolades everyone gives it for its faultless ability to track and return to zero.

I'll post some results as soon as it warms up a bit.
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http://www.samplelist.com/Zeiss-45-14x50-Conquest-Rifle-Scope-DEMO-B-P1553.aspx  If you really want to get to 1000 Zeiss has an interesting way of doing that by the design of the Z1000 reticle where the center X is 500 yds and closer ranges are above center.  You can do similar with other scopes: 
Take the same thought process and realize that you can zero at say 600 yds  and dial in correction from there.

Bullet Drop (Inches)

100y

91m

200y

183m

300y

275m

400y

366m

500y

458m

600y

549m

700y

641m

800y

732m

900y

824m

1000y

915m

M118

+16.5

+30.0

+36.0

+34.0

+22.5

Zero

-35.0

-80.0

-144.0

-230.0

M118LR

+17.4

+30.4

+36.3

+34.2

+22.6

Zero

-35.7

-86.8

-156.1

-246.7

F-175gr

+17.2

+29.9

+35.8

+33.9

+22.6

Zero

-34.8

-84.9

-153.7

-243.1

F-168gr

+17.7

+31.0

+37.2

+35.4

+23.5

Zero

-36.7

-90.8

-164.3

-261.7

Energy (Muzzle - M118 - 2605Ft-Lbs., M118LR - 2586, Fed. Match 175gr - 2625, Fed. Match 168gr - 2520)

M118

2265

1940

1678

1400

1195

1035

865

735

635

545

M118LR

2247

1944

1675

1436

1225

1037

877

743

634

547

F-175gr

2285

1975

1705

1460

1245

1060

900

765

650

550

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Originally posted by SVT_Tactical SVT_Tactical wrote:

open sights at a grand..........wow!
Yes sir...it's fun but can be a humbling experience the 1st time out.
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