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any recommendations of a scope for around 700
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How about the new 10-50x Sightron? They are not much more than $700
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The SS 10x HD would be a great choice but I do not think they will ship to Australia. I would look at something in the 10x to 20x max due to the problems of mirage at higher magnifications. And if a fixed power will work for you even better since a fixed power should have better glass than a variable power of the same cost. Good glass and lower magnification trumps poor glass and higher magnification every time.
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Sightron 6-24.  It is slightly more than $700, but not much.

For a true 1000 yard gun, it would be a great selection.

For a better option, you'd have to spend twice the money.
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And far be it from me to buck the conventional wisdom, but a 10X is not the best 1,000 yard scope.  Granted, on a hot day, you may NEED to run a scope at 10X, but I don't put fixed 10X scopes on my long range guns for a very good reason.

The SS 10X HD is great, but not the best 1,000 yard scope, nor is any other 10X.

Just to clarify.
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This is not a treatise on scope magnification... obviously would take quite a lengthy tome to go into all the pluses and minuses of requirements for a "1000 yard scope".   Just some thoughts on why 10x has often been THOUGHT OF as a "best" for that type of shooting.  

10X is certainly not the "best" magnification for a 1000 yard scope.  As with most things chosen by the military, 10x was a compromise in a time when technology was not as good as today.  10x offered enough magnification to get to 1000yds (when used by a select, highly trained (at least trained), small, group of shooters known affectionately as snipers) and beyond while experiencing much less mirage effects than higher power magnifications, less training time, less things to go wrong... adequate.  Even with today's technology mirage is a problem at and beyond 10x, and there are times the long range shooters with Hubble telescope type optics have to "dial it down" to 10x or less, but with much "tougher" variable scopes out there, it is possible to have the additional magnification for times when mirage is not so bad.  So, given all the constraints placed upon the original requirement, 10x became a de facto "best"  (if the military is using it, must be the "best"... right???)

Virtually every piece of gear used by the military is produced as the result of "trade studies".  Trade studies almost (and that is being generous... I've never seen a trade study produce the "best" of anything) NEVER come up with the "best" of anything.  The primary factor is "adequate to do the job within cost constraints".  Cost becomes the driver and the original requirement set is often lost due to modifications necessary to fit the cost constraint.  

The civilian market is not limited to such trades and if one wants to spend the money, one can go out the purchase the "best" scope on the market for shooting at 1000 yards.  $700.00 will purchase a "pretty good" scope for shooting at 1000 yards.  The "best" will cost much more and there is some subjective analysis that must be taken into consideration there, as well.  Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.  The glass quality in the SS10xHD makes up some for having only 10x magnification.  I "range" things at 1000+ yards with my 10xHD all the time.  If it were 20x+ with good glass, it would be easier, better...  40x, even better...  Maybe...
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i know everyone praises the swfa ss scopes but i do not like them the glass is very poor i had problems at 400-500 yds because the are not very clear  i would take a sightron or bushnell or a cheap nikon buckmaster over them 
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The reason I like the high powered variables is so that you can crank magnification up enough to get SOME mirage. Having a bit of mirage on a light, switching wind, helps to spot changes in wind direction. If you have a 10-50X, in a summer afternoon, you can crank it down to 20X if you like, but on a cool dry morning, you will have to crank it up to 50X to get some mirage.
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Using mirage for reading wind is a wonderful thing to do.  Mirage is our friend...  but even best friends can wear out their welcome.  Seems like 20x would be a bit high in the Aussie outlands in the summer...  but if you can use it, more power to you.  In high heat, usually, for me, 12x to 14x is about max.  
It takes some work to read and understand it and it seems like a dying skill.  I tell people all the time to not fear mirage, but learn to use it.  
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Originally posted by 300 ultramag 300 ultramag wrote:

i know everyone praises the swfa ss scopes but i do not like them the glass is very poor i had problems at 400-500 yds because the are not very clear  i would take a sightron or bushnell or a cheap nikon buckmaster over them 

I'm not going to argue with you over your experience, will just say it is atypical.  I would also suggest you have not used the new 3-9 variable or the 10xHD.  The "old models" dio not have as high a quality glass, but they have very good glass for the price.  There are a number of reasons you may have had a negative experience, but you cannot dispute the evidence of the users on this forum and other forum who have experiences 180deg out of phase with yours...

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Originally posted by 300 ultramag 300 ultramag wrote:

i know everyone praises the swfa ss scopes but i do not like them the glass is very poor i had problems at 400-500 yds because the are not very clear  i would take a sightron or bushnell or a cheap nikon buckmaster over them 


In other posts, you are pushing nikon coyotes and Sightron S1 and S2 - and you've had problem with the SS's?

I've shot the old 10X beyond 500 yards many times and had no problems, elevation is adequate, and the glass is definitely adequate.

I'm curious to know your specific experiences since what you are seeing is the exact opposite of what almost everyone else thinks of the SS line.  They are highly thought of in the tactical community as a great value scope (and have many, MANY reviews to prove it.)

Feel free to be specific, you've already made your opinions known, now all I ask for is details.

As to the original post, I'd still stick with the S3, and I agree with all parts of Kickboxer's post - expect the procurement stuff, which I never had a hand in.


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I've only used the newer SS 3-9 but the glass in it was very good - certainly on par with the NF I compared it to...and not shabby compared to the Premier 3-15 that I had side-by-side with it.
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My first SS was a 20x and the physics of how much light passes through makes them look grey in low light but pretty good in full daylight. The 10x models I have bought looked better.  The 3-9 and the 10x HD are AWESOME there is a huge difference.  I have a 10xHD on my thousand yard gun - so it can be done and one reason is that I strongly believe that fixed power scopes have less to go wrong wiht them. Would I rather have a Heinsoldt - sure but I have to wait for Rancid Coolaid to get tired of his and trade it in.  I sure looked hard at his old USO
 
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When I first came to this site I asked the Same Question for a thousand yrd scope and the advice I got then was to use a 6x24x50  Now the scope works great but good glass makes a real difference when it come to Mirage affect so here in Iowa its not to bad but if your in the Desert then I would go with the a single magnification scope 
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ok here we go ive gotten lots of replys because theres alot of brand loyal guys here the scope i had was a used 20x42 a few years old mounted on a custom built 7mm ultramag a sub-moa gun the thing was clear as day til you got past 500 or so yds i was shooting 1 inch groups @300 yds and went to 500 and 700 and the targets were hard to see . i pulled it off put on a customers nightforce zeroed it shot 300 500 700 1200 no problems the glass is not even in the same ballpark as the nightforce i have heard some say it was comparable to a nf in my professional opinion not even close
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this a explanation not trying to bash. maybe i got a bad one it was used maybe they are alot better now i dont know please enlighten me
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the question was a 1000 yd scope for 700, not what is a good 1000 yd scope, let me know when you find one.-- anybody.
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ok nikon monarch 5x20x44 500 bucks
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Ive have/ used the monarchs not up to it.
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are youy saying the monarchs wont work or you dislike them i know they will work we use them on our custom rifles all the time i just mounted one on a custom 280 ai and it holds zero perfectly  you might look at the zeiss conquest they maybe a little over 700 usually i would say leupold but lately we are not having good luck with them i have a bushnell elite 6500 4-30x50 on order when it comes in ill test it and tell the story if it can handle the recoil its going on a custom 338 ultramag
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the iron sights on my 303 smle will work to 1000 yds.
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id pay to see that
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