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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Trinidad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/11/2006 at 17:43

Here is this great post from Chris where he explains the history and new developments of Kahles.

http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=1301&KW=hi story+of+kahles

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Roy Finn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/11/2006 at 18:26
I did see that post, but, I seem to recall Chris mentioning something of recent regarding their current status and the TDS reticle. I didn't have any luck finding it prior to responding to RifleDude. Maybe I'll just PM Chris to help us out on that one. There are posts here regarding Kahles "breaking away" from Swaro regarding their ability to advance technology independent of Swaro's OK, so to speak. Maybe I'm wrong stating that they are completely independent. That does not appear to be the case.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Trinidad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/11/2006 at 18:36

I am not shure about the independant status,one thing I know for shure is that Kahles has passed Swarovski

in optics quality as Chris has stated and at a better price.

 

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Roy Finn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/11/2006 at 18:42

Knew I wasn't cracking up, SVD's rifle pic just slowed me up.....

tahqua wrote:
Too bad they don't make a 1.5-5 or 2-7 American as this information is really new to me regarding glass and coatings. Chris does the same apply for the Kahles? Your discussion on the 1.1-4 Helia for your big game gun was really good news, too. $699 on the Sample List, hmmmm, maybe the Kahles American doesn't matter anyway.

 

Yes the same is true with Kahles.  In fact I am in the process of switching my American Lightweight Swarovskis with Kahles CL 1" scopes.  Kahles is the world's oldest scope manufacturer; they were purchased by Swarovski when the last Kahles passed away with no heir.  Swarovski immediately started branding the Kahles scopes with their name and kind of treated Kahles like a step child for many years.  The resentment grew and grew because all of Kahles' hard work and ideas were being used under the Swarovski name and the Kahles brand was positioned by Swarovski to be a lower line.  Kahles finally just stopped sharing, basically and two years ago were able to break free and operate on their own with no technologies being shared either direction.  Kahles formed their own rep groups and price list, making them completely independent.  This is why you don't see the TDS reticle on Kahles scopes any longer as it was a Swarovski acquisition from U.S. designer T.D. Smith.

 

Well, come to find out Kahles had not really stopped their design and engineering they just kept everything top secret and hidden.  So once the board of directors agreed to the split and all the details were done, Kahles phased out their existing lines and started production of the CL, CSX, CB, etc.  The CSX illuminated technology is easily the best and most advanced in the world.  The ground breaking Multizero turret with the micro-clutch assembly is amazing.  The CL 1" scopes have a huge ocular that provides a wide field of view, long eye relief and a easy to find sight picture.  New coatings and glass are also being used.

 

When you get to this level of optics, there are many things that make one scope better than another (not just optics), Kahles is the "real deal" and in my opinion they currently make the finest scope money can buy.  Keep in mind that scopes are pretty much all that Kahles does (99%) and they have been doing it longer than anyone.  They devote all of their resources to scope development not rangefinders, spotting scopes, mounts, cameras, projectors, microscopes, telescopes, crystal, etc.  World wide Kahles is a much larger brand, the U.S. market has yet to realize how good they really are, but their time is coming......its just taken over 100 years.

 

>>>Read more about the history of Kahles<<<

 

 

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Great find Roy. 
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I have praised numerous times the CL line from Kahles.  I've owned the 50mm (sold it; man was that STUPID!!!) and currently own the 52mm model.  Excellent scope, excellent value.  I honestly can't image a reason why it wouldn't make a hunter happy unless they have a desire or need for a special reticle.
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Wonder why Kahles apparently doesn't offer a 50 yd parallax Rimfire version of the 2-7 X 36 CL?  One of my all-time favorite scopes is the discontinued Kahles 2-7 X 36 AH Rimfire I have mounted on my Kimber 82 SuperAmerica.  A WONDERFUL little scope -- I consider it the finest rimfire hunting scope of all time.  If one wanted to complement a high-end rimfire rifle with a premium scope that wasn't way too bulky and overpowered, and didn't want A/O, it was the only rimfire scope I'm aware of that met this criteria.  Its petite size nicely complemented a fine rimfire, yet it gave up nothing in optical performance, unlike every other cheap "rimfire" model scope I've seen.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote geetch Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/12/2006 at 19:02
I have a question.  I've never had an adjustable objective scope like the CL.  How do these work in a hunting situation?  are they cumbersome, etc.?
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The CL does not have a adjustable objective it has a side focus which does the same thing as a adjustable objective with a really convienient knob located on the left of the scope next to the elevation turret. A adjustable objective scope has a large outer ring over the front of the scope(the objective). Both adjustable objective and side focus

allow you to focus your scope which removes parallax for longer shots. See parallax in this great post from Chris.

 

http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=80&KW=rifl escope+school&TPN=1

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote geetch Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/12/2006 at 19:38
longer shots?  at what yardage will parallax come into play in a hunting situation?  my longest shot would be 150 yards or so would i need to worry with parallax?
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You do not need this feature for hunting at the short distance you specified. Depending on your shooting skills and the magnification

you are using-significant point of  impact problems could be starting at 300 yds for a hunting situation. Parallax is more of a problem as

you increase your magnification, for hunting over 9x and without consitant positioning of your cheek on the rifle and eye from the scope

you are in high risk of missing your shot over 300 yds.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jonbravado Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/14/2006 at 08:46

that's why i reccomended the 56mm kahles C - it's an excellent lowlight scope without the side focus -

 

i doubt you will have the need for the side focus inside 150 yrds - even longer distances shouldn't be a problem.

 

i have had great results from the kahles C 56mm scope - my 2 cents.

 

they CL is a great scope, but the 6mm will let more light in and the 30mm tube will be a tad bit stronger.

and you don't need to worry about parallax.

 

let us know what you decide.

 

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