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Alright guys.  I have about $1k budget for a scope.  I've been looking at the sample list and have a few questions.

 

I'm trying to decide between the Swarovski 4-12x50mm American, the Kahles CL 3-12x50, or the Kahles 3-12x56mm C.  Which one would you buy?  Unless you have any other suggestions in that price range. 

 

This will be going on a Remington model 700 in .243 that currently has a Simmons Aetec on it.  This was my main deer gun until I got a .270 with an IOR 4-12x50mm.  I want to start using my .243 again, but want to upgrade the class. 

 

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I am happy with the Leupold VX-L 3&1/2 X 10 X 56 that I got off the sample list , I don`t think you would be unhappy with a Nikon Monarch or a Bushnell 4200 in similar power for deer  All of those are under $1000 by quite a bit just remember Nikons off the sample list only have a 90 day warrenty

 

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kahles 56mm is the best of the bunch out of the three you named - excellent scope model.

 

BUT if you want a comparable brandnew scope - try the 56mm meostar by meopta - it holds it's own w/ any of the above few.

 

good luck.

 

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how is the kahles better than the swarovski 1"?  Just trying to educate myself.

 

I like my IOR, but the reticle is too thin.  Is that a problem in the meopta at low light? 

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you can get the meopta meostar w/ german #4 reticle - awesome in lowlight

 

the american swaro isn't as good as the top end swaros - the kahles C is excellent -

my cousin just bought one for 1300 bucks and it is amazing.

 

it's the best of the 3 - unless you want the side focus, then get the CL.

 

seriously pick up and look through a 3x12x56 meostar.  you won't put it back down.

 

i own a 56mm meostar and i can't tell much of a difference if any between the kahles.  and it's only 700 bucks or so.

 

good luck.

 

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or get another IOR hunter - they are excellent scopes.

 

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Kahles CL...

 

Do a "SEARCH" (click it on the top of this webpage) on the CL & you'll see why.

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My next purchase will be a Kahles Multizero.  It may push the $1K limit a bit but I'm going to go ahead with it.  I think they are that good.  Good luck.

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Originally posted by OK hunter OK hunter wrote:

My next purchase will be a Kahles Multizero.  It may push the $1K limit a bit but I'm going to go ahead with it.  I think they are that good.  Good luck.

 

Congrats on a great decision!  You won't be disappointed.

 

Let us know what you think once you get a chance to dial it in.

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Let us know how the MultiZero function works.  I've been interested in one of these, but I haven't had a chance to try one out to see how easy it is to set and dial in a preset zero.

As for Kahles' optics, based on every other Kahles optic product I've seen, it goes without saying that the view through the scope will be awesome.
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Looked through them all, but have not had experience shooting with them.  I just stick with the Elite 4200s and Sightron SIIs and seem to get along fine, even in low light situations, even with lesser scopes.  Out of my price range.  You have to depend on these guys, but from what I hear from them, the Kahles, is the way to go.
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Originally posted by OK hunter OK hunter wrote:

My next purchase will be a Kahles Multizero.  It may push the $1K limit a bit but I'm going to go ahead with it.  I think they are that good.  Good luck.

 

Exellent choice Ok hunter.

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What's the side focus on the Kahles CL for? 
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Originally posted by geetch geetch wrote:

What's the side focus on the Kahles CL for? 

 

Here you go geetch. The CL is one of the best 1" scopes in the world.

http://www.kahlesoptik.com/index.php?pf=&menu=20&spr ache=0

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Man, I may have to get one of these new CL series scopes!  I don't believe I've ever heard so many glowing reviews of any other scope so shortly following introduction before!
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Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

Man, I may have to get one of these new CL series scopes!  I don't believe I've ever heard so many glowing reviews of any other scope so shortly following introduction before!

 

The only weakness with the CL is the lack of reticles, a holdover and range estimating reticle would be nice.

If weight is a issue, some weight sensative people might say that it is a bit to heavy in some of its configurations.

Other than that it is one heck of a 1" scope at a great price.

 

 

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Yeah, I don't understand why they don't offer the TDS reticle that they offered in the previous American Hunter line.  Seems to me that would be a no-brainer option, especially since Kahles is owned by Swarovski.
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Not any more, RD. The "rights" to the TDS are owned by Swaro and now that Kahles is independent of them, no more TDS. It's one reason you see the mult-zero on Kahles.
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That makes sense, but I wasn't aware they were now independent of Swaro.  I called about cost for replacing the rubber armor on my Kahles bino last week, and the number I was given was Swaro customer service in RI.  In addition, the Kahles website still shows the U.S. parts and service address as 2 Slater Rd, Cranston RI, same as Swaro.  Is this a new thing?
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Chris knows all the particulars regarding what goes on here stateside, but, they split ways about 2 years ago from what I understand. From what I understand, Kahles got tired of sharing their technology with Swaro. Kahles was in the optics business long before Swaro and apparently when Swaro first started offering scopes, they were made entirely by Kahles. Not exactly sure how they worked out the warranty/customer service end of it.
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Here is this great post from Chris where he explains the history and new developments of Kahles.

http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=1301&KW=hi story+of+kahles

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I did see that post, but, I seem to recall Chris mentioning something of recent regarding their current status and the TDS reticle. I didn't have any luck finding it prior to responding to RifleDude. Maybe I'll just PM Chris to help us out on that one. There are posts here regarding Kahles "breaking away" from Swaro regarding their ability to advance technology independent of Swaro's OK, so to speak. Maybe I'm wrong stating that they are completely independent. That does not appear to be the case.
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I am not shure about the independant status,one thing I know for shure is that Kahles has passed Swarovski

in optics quality as Chris has stated and at a better price.

 

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Knew I wasn't cracking up, SVD's rifle pic just slowed me up.....

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Too bad they don't make a 1.5-5 or 2-7 American as this information is really new to me regarding glass and coatings. Chris does the same apply for the Kahles? Your discussion on the 1.1-4 Helia for your big game gun was really good news, too. $699 on the Sample List, hmmmm, maybe the Kahles American doesn't matter anyway.

 

Yes the same is true with Kahles.  In fact I am in the process of switching my American Lightweight Swarovskis with Kahles CL 1" scopes.  Kahles is the world's oldest scope manufacturer; they were purchased by Swarovski when the last Kahles passed away with no heir.  Swarovski immediately started branding the Kahles scopes with their name and kind of treated Kahles like a step child for many years.  The resentment grew and grew because all of Kahles' hard work and ideas were being used under the Swarovski name and the Kahles brand was positioned by Swarovski to be a lower line.  Kahles finally just stopped sharing, basically and two years ago were able to break free and operate on their own with no technologies being shared either direction.  Kahles formed their own rep groups and price list, making them completely independent.  This is why you don't see the TDS reticle on Kahles scopes any longer as it was a Swarovski acquisition from U.S. designer T.D. Smith.

 

Well, come to find out Kahles had not really stopped their design and engineering they just kept everything top secret and hidden.  So once the board of directors agreed to the split and all the details were done, Kahles phased out their existing lines and started production of the CL, CSX, CB, etc.  The CSX illuminated technology is easily the best and most advanced in the world.  The ground breaking Multizero turret with the micro-clutch assembly is amazing.  The CL 1" scopes have a huge ocular that provides a wide field of view, long eye relief and a easy to find sight picture.  New coatings and glass are also being used.

 

When you get to this level of optics, there are many things that make one scope better than another (not just optics), Kahles is the "real deal" and in my opinion they currently make the finest scope money can buy.  Keep in mind that scopes are pretty much all that Kahles does (99%) and they have been doing it longer than anyone.  They devote all of their resources to scope development not rangefinders, spotting scopes, mounts, cameras, projectors, microscopes, telescopes, crystal, etc.  World wide Kahles is a much larger brand, the U.S. market has yet to realize how good they really are, but their time is coming......its just taken over 100 years.

 

>>>Read more about the history of Kahles<<<

 

 

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Great find Roy. 
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