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I am asking for some help on the best bino in the $1000 to $1300 range.  I have done as much research as you can possibly do but until you use them in the field, you never know.  I have been interseted in the folowing.

 

Leupold GR 10x42

Nikon Premier lx 10x42

Steiner Pergrine XP 10x44

 

Please help me.  This has been a more difficult decision than buying a house!!

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Out of the three you listed the Nikon Premier LX stands quite a bit above either of the other two in terms of optical performance. Personally, I was never impressed with the current Leupold Golden Ring binos. Their new HD versions set to be released this year may offer better optical performance.

 

I have no experience with Steiner other than looking at them inside a few stores.

 

If you are considering bins in this price range may I ask why you haven't looked at the Leica Trinovids or Swarovski SLCs. I would think you should be able to find them new at the upper end of this range.

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I agree with Frank for that kind of Money the Swavorski SLC, Leica Trivoids and Nikon LXL are the way to go for the price range your talking about.  You need to look at all three and see which one suites you best in feel and eye relief.  They are all three super optics and would last you for many years.
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Leupold Gold Rings seem to be a "love 'em or hate 'em" kind of deal.  Don't totally discount them until you have the chance to handle one but, I do agree with the above comments that the Nikon LXL's should definately be at the top of your list.  I would take them over any Swarovski without hesitation.

 

You also might look at the Bushnell Elites.  These are a fantastic glass (that I personally also prefer to anything Swaro.) 

 

Finally, I'm surprised FrankD didn't mention the offerings of Meopta as he seems to have been quite taken by them lately.  I haven't had the pleasure of handling one yet, but by all accounts, they are a fantastic glass.

 

I have never cared for any Steiner glass and would not consider them in the same league as any of the others that have been mentioned.

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I was in the same situation and I went with the SLC's after handeling and researching ect...I really liked the feel of their binculars in hand. It pretty much came down to the Nikon Premierthe SLC's and the Trinovid.  Any binocular in the class of glass is going to be good. I don't think their is a $1,300 pair or bad binos.

 

I was pretty impressed with the Nikon Premier LX series the glass is top notch and right up there. I have not seen nor handled the Bushnell Elite binoculars but if they are anything like the scopes they will also be worth a very strong look. That and compounded by the fact that I have seen demo models for almost half the pice on-line makes them even more of a great buy. 

 

The Leica Trinovids were nice (couple friends have them) very nice glass but the "ergonomics" if that word applies to binoculars just does not feel as good as some of the others in hand.

 

Personally, I was not overly impressed with the Leupold Golden Rings still very nice glass but I would not put it in the same class as the others. They are a bit cheaper then the Nikon, Leica, Swaro  but I would say out classed by the others and not for much more money.

 

As far as a Steiner. I have no experience with the high grade stuff. I have looked through some of their mid-grade binoculars and when compared to others in their price range I was not overly impressed.I can't remember what Steiner I was looking through at the time but my buddies Pentax SP which I was told was about the same price as the Steiner and the Pentax was much better optically.

 

Again at this level I don't think anyone will be a bad choice. However, you have to be the ultimate judge for what looks good to your eyes and hands. Classic example is above Lucznik does not prefer Swarovski I after handeling all of the ones I was looking at I do. Does that make him right, me wrong? Swarovski good, or bad. Absolutly not.  Lucznik gives great advice on this forum, and personally I think he and a few others here always give great sound advice, which I really appreciate. However, It comes down to what you like for YOU. For all you know you might think we are crazy and the Steiner or Golden Rings look best to you.

 

Sorry Lucznik to use you as an example. My point is once you get to a certain level most of the time your splitting hairs and it will come down to personal preference. Spending that kind of money you really want to find the best binocular for your eyes. Out of your orignial list I personally like the Nikon Premier, but there are other options out there.  I think someone mentioned Meopta again never handeled one but people that have say great things about them. Also the Minox HG (High Grade) another binocular that is getting great reviews..personally this binoc keeps calling to me...oh god more money $$$ LOL Point is try to look if at all possible before you buy.

 

Good luck and let us know what you decide and toss out your opinion

 Happy Shooting

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Originally posted by Acenturian Acenturian wrote:

Sorry Lucznik to use you as an example.

 

Don't apologize!

 

I couldn't agree with what you've stated more.

 

As another good example of what you've presented, I know that FrankD also tried the Bushnell Elites and he sent his back because he wasn't satisfied with them. So, we all didn't come to the same conclusion about our favorite binocular; So what?  You and FrankD are both still welcome around my campfire anyday.

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It always amazes me how much difference our perceptions of a given optic can be from person to person, especially with regards to some of the high-end stuff, which one would think offers a level of optical performance more closely approaching the unachievable "perfection."  I've often wondered what factors cause different people's eyes to see things so differently when the manufacturers of the better glass are in an arms race to create the most flawless image possible.
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Lucznik:  I agree, that is what makes optics, and for me hunting great all about experimentation of what works and the "quest" to find the best scope, bullet, powder, bino, sleeping bag ect....Gets expensive but non the less fun.  I keep getting hammered with overtime I might just take you up on that campfire LOL

 

RifleDude: I personally and this is one simple minded man's opinion once you get to certain level I think then you are splitting hairs as to what is "THE BEST".  I agree that all the top companies are approaching "perfection" at least with todays technology. However, what is perfection?  I mean what is perfect for you may not be for me and vice versa. It is like TV's.  I have always been partial to the Sony picture to me while less "bright" they generally have a sharp but softer image. Some people will say that a Toshiba looks better. Most people will agree that both Sony and Toshiba make good TV's what is better depends on you the customer. Or another way to look at it Danner makes great boots but a size 12 does not fit everyone. 

 

I liked the Swarovski SLC over the pretty much equal Leica Trinovid. I would not say that the Swarovski is any better and I would never say that Leica is junk nothing could be further from the truth. For my eyes, and hands I liked the SLC. Give the same situation to the next guy and he may have the opposite opinion, which is what makes opics (oops sorry Swaro langauge Optik's LOL) and the free market in general a good thing for the customer.  Plus we all know that Coor's taste better then Budweiser and Chevrolet is better than Ford LOL  so some when it comes to optics then there is some debate LOL

 

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Quote Finally, I'm surprised FrankD didn't mention the offerings of Meopta as he seems to have been quite taken by them lately.  I haven't had the pleasure of handling one yet, but by all accounts, they are a fantastic glass.

 

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Optics talk / Binoculars / $1000 to 1300 Bino

 

Not to be a smart-alleck but the second quote is why I did not mention them. Their highest priced bin (most retailers) from their more popular models sells for just under $1000. The 8x42 and 10x42 are now on sale regularly for under $900 and there is at least one place that sells them for even less than that.

 

One thing I have noticed when surfing the various optics and equipment forums on the net is that when someone asks for a suggestion for a particular piece of equipment within a given price range any suggestions for equipment less expensive than the price range suggested are often disregarded as inferior....hence the lack of my recommendation for the Meopta.

 

However, if pressed........

 

Wally,

 

You really should take a look at the Meopta Meostars as well. They provide nearly identical optical performance to that of the Swaro SLCs and Leica Trinovids at a less expensive price. Optically they mirror the SLCs more in my opinion though ergonomically they are almost identical to the Trinovids in size, shape and weight without the rubber "ribs" but with thumb indents.

 

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As another good example of what you've presented, I know that FrankD also tried the Bushnell Elites and he sent his back because he wasn't satisfied with them. So, we all didn't come to the same conclusion about our favorite binocular; So what?  You and FrankD are both still welcome around my campfire anyday.

 

Thanks Lucznik. You two are most certainly welcome to join me as well.

 

Since the Elites were mentioned, I feel the need to comment on my experiences with them. Let me start off with the praise. For one, they are the classiest looking bin I have ever owned. The bridge design, the overall size and the color combination definitely set it apart from the rest of the pack. I cannot speak highly enough of it in that regard. Plus, the "case" is probably the best I have ever seen sent from a manufacturer for their bins and that includes Zeiss, Swaro, Leica, Nikon, Meopta and just about every other bin I have owned. It never ceases to amaze me how someone would buy a $1000 or $2000 bin and yet the manufacturer won't even supply an appropriate case.

 

Focusing speed and the diopter design are both excellent.

 

The optics are significantly better than average as well. The image appears exceptionally bright with very accurate color rendition. I was actually quite fond of the bin overall to the point where I was considering purchasing another.

 

My negatives? I had only one. To me the image appeared slightly soft. I had been using some exceptionally sharp bins prior to that and after owning it. It just didn't give me that "snap" that some bins do. Now, keep in mind I bought this bin as a refurbished binocular from a place that was selling them at the $500 price point. They were worth well more than that price. They no longer are offered at that price point and I have been unable to find any other retailers offering a refurbished version of these bins.

 

Sorry for rambling.

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