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Sound good on paper.  Have you ever used the Burris 3-12?  Also depending on how many rifles you have and what type, it could get expensive setting them all up in Scout configuration.

 

How long has Seecamp had a forum?  I love my .32 Special Edition, its like my American Express card, I don't leave home with out it.

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No Chris,

I havn't used one yet, but after doing some reading on it I felt compelled to try to convey it's aparently unique potential.  I wouldn't configure all long guns as scout guns, only ones that are a PITA to mount on the reciever e.g ak47/akm, the rest would use a conventional config with the same scope and some weaver or picatinny tabs or rails.  That's what impressed me though, the flexibility to use the various features as required.  The scout scope guys seem to think highly of the burris handgun scopes, including Kenneth W. Royce (aka Boston T Party). 

 

Could it work as one scope for a rimfire rifle, hunting handgun, assault / battle rifle and hunting shotgun i.e weapons that wouldn't be hosting premium glass.

How inappropiate would it be to include a b/a precision rifle in the mix?

 

The Seecamp Forum has been up for over a year, it's a very polite place, no moderators required, you should swing by and say hello or request your LWS bith date and 'speak' to the man himself.



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When you increase the magnification of any scope the eye relief gets more critical, the field of view gets smaller and the exit pupil gets smaller.  When you increase the magnification of a long eye relief handgun scope the eye relief becomes critically critical almost to the unusable point and the field of view is like looking down a straw.  There is a reason why 90% of all handgun scopes made are 2x.

 

When Burris first came out with the 3-9 and 3-12 handgun scopes I was so excited, I bought a Savage Stryker in .260 and was already looking forward to how much more ground I could cover not being burdened by a rifle.

 

It did not take me long to determine that the 3-12 would not be suitable for the type of hunting I do, in fact I determined while trying to get the scope sighted in at 100 yards.  But I still tried because I know some things take time and experience before you can be good.

 

It just did not work and after it cost me a nice trophy, I decided to replace it with a lower power range scopes.......the Leupold 2.5-8.  It was much easier to use but still difficult on the higher powers.  I found my self using it almost exclusively on 2x, so I just switched to a 2x scope that had a wider field of view and better light transmission.  Now I have confidence in the pistol and me using it.

 

To each his own and if you decide to go that route, start off slow before you convert some rifles to accept a Scout application.  Get one in your hands and play with it, preferably one mounted on a handgun.

 

You man consider using a scout scope, they work on handguns too......just depends on the gun, how you hold it and the recoil.

 

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I have run into the same problem with a 2-7 Burris on a .223 Contender. Under field conditions it is unuseable at anything over 4X, the FOV is too small. At 7X it is fine from the bench, but it is just this problem that has kept me away from the scout concept.

The 2X Leupold on my .44 Ruger is about perfect for field conditions. It is plenty bright at dusk for any shot I will and have taken.

Switching scopes from gun to gun is way to busy IMO.

The Seecamp site is cool, BTW. Are you guys using Silvertips?

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I use both Silvertip and Hydra Shok.  The guns come with a list of ammo that Seecamp endorses.  There were some concerns recently that Winchester changed the Silvertips and they may not function in the Seecamp.  Years ago when I bought mine, they said to only use Silvertip as no other ammo would function.  I've not been keeping up lately but will be able to now that they have a forum.
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I hope you are getting reliability out of the HS, too. I had seen the concerns about the Silvertip change and a lot of Seecamp owners were having problems. From what I have handled, in terms of "mouse guns", the Seecamp is in a league of it's own, quality wise. For it's size it seems to have good presence in my hand compared to some of the Berretta's and Kel-Tec's.

The Sivertip is still a good perfromer in most calibers. It is THE only "big three" round that comes close to what the 10mm should be. I keep plenty of them around in .45 and 9mm, too. No 3-12 Burris on any of these Roscoes.



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Thanks for those informed replies guys,

I'm a sucker for any left field / off the wall concept, as you will note by my posts on the seecamp forum.  It looks like a more sensible route would be to have a dedicated low power handgun scope and a variable mag ballistic plex rifle scope with target knobs.

 

I also mis-read the review below to be a 2-7 scope specs Vs 3-12 scope specs, it actually 3-9 V 3-12.  Because I thought the FOV was the same, I mistakenly applied what I had read about the 2-7 to the 3-12.  

http://www.graybeardoutdoors.com/producttest/burris.htm 

 

Ta.

 

By the way Chris, I think the photos & reviews that link to each product is pure genius.



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