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I was wondering about the Trigicon. Pretty good looking scope. I've used the M8 3 power Leupold quite a bit. But it sucks in low light. Which we have lots of in Alaska.
The 1-4×20 Vari X 2 I used for years did OK as far as holding up for a several years. But again it sucked in low light. It did live thru a fair thrashing on my 458 and on a 416 Taylor. But eventually it went to $μ¡+.
I think I'll get a Vortex Crossfire 2 1-4 ×24 with the V Bright reticle.
Save my money for a PST2 1-6 mil/mil.
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'It sucked in low light.' Small objectives suck in low light.
So, don't go with a cheap scope with a small objective.
Go with a good scope with a bigger objective, and turn up the magnification enough to take advantage of the bigger objective.
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I do not know of Crossfire will do all that well on a heavy kicker, but anything is possible.

If you are looking for better low light, as always, price goes up, so I do not know how happy you will be with the Crossfire.  On the other hand, it is an inexpensive experiment.

I remember years ago, Bushnell used to make Elite 1.25-4x24 scope with an illuminated dot and #4 reticle.  That would have been a nearly perfect scope for you.  I used one for quite a while, but eventually sold it since I like to try new stuff.

I just noticed that SWFA has a sale on the VX-R 1.25-4x20 for $500 with an AR style mount for $500.  You can probably sell th emount on Ebay for  $100 or so and the scope will only run you $400.  That is a good deal for a VX-R.

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I have a VX-R scout scope on my .44 mag (1.5-5x33) and must admit I like it

I think straight tubes and low light will never be friends...
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Thinking about it, if you could find the 1.6-8x42 Kahles that would be a great scope...
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Getting back to the illumination, I also have a 1.1-4x24 Kahles with illuminated C-Dot. It presently sits on a Ruger #1 in 45-70. This gun can kick with heavy loads but they don't kick like the rounds being talked about. If the illumination fails the C-Dot is still usable. 
The reason I have that scope on the 45-70 is, one the gun doesn't punish the scope and secondly I am concerned about the reliability of the illumination if I put it on my .375 H&H. The 1.1-4x24 with 4A on the  H&H is very good in low light and in the thick stuff bear hang out.
There are plenty of good suggestions here but I would be concerned about electronic illumination on a  heavy kicker. Trijicon is another story, though.
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By sucking in low light . What I mean is not being able to see the center of the reticle . Illuminated reticles solve that problem. As long as they work. One reason I was thinking about the Trigicon. , apparently they don't need batteries . ????
Don't know for sure tho as I've never looked thru one.
A HUGE thing the Vortex has going for it is 4" of eye relief !!!! And , as near as I know , even the Crossfire 2 1-4 has an etched reticle. !!
The PST2 1-6 has 4" eye relief or very close to it also. And a mil scale . And illumination. And undercover turrets on the mil/mil scope. It is on the short list.
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I can see the etched 4A in all legal hunting light and all conditions and cover.
TrijiconAccuPoint doesn't need batteries, Accupower does.
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Thank you. The Accu Point doesn't take batteries. That's good to know.
So I was looking at the Leatherwood CMR line at SWFA. Unfortunately the 1-4 only lists 3" of eye relief.
The 1-8 does have 4" so that short lists that scope.
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So , in my studying I think the Nikon Black Force 1000 1-4 ×24 should work . At least for the time being.
On Accurate Reloading there are several guys that are Big Recoil hogs! Regularly shoot rifles I wouldn't even think about shooting.
They went thru the Leupold phase and went to Nikon. Monarch's and Muzzle Loader/Inline scopes and haven't had a problem with the scopes retaining zero. One just got the 1-4 Black Force and is putting it on a 458 Win mag running full pressure loads . It will be interesting to see his results
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 I learned my lesson mounting scopes on heavy kickers. Anybody can mount a scope on a .223 or a .308. When you start to go over 3000 ft/lbs of ME your mounting has to be right and as the ME rises the problem gets worse quick. You can kill any improperly installed scope. Regardless of the ring/mount set-up the rings have to be lapped. Not so much to get maximum contact between the ring and scope tube to prevent slipping, but to insure both rings are one the same plane. You mount the scope in a bind and it will not last long. For a two-piece scope mount when I'm trying to save weight I like the Talley Lightweights. If you want the convenience of being able to quickly remove the scope I like to use Burris Xtreme Tactical two-piece bases. When it comes to bases I look for full width cross slots and preferably steel. For a one-piece base my go to is a Murphy but have used EGW's HD line. Scope weight (including rings) plays a factor also. The more weight (mass) the more strain on the rings recoil lug and even the scope mount screws. You mount a big heavy honker like a Vortex Razor (40+ oz) on a rifle kicking with 5000 ft/lbs and you can snap 6-48s. As far as rings since I use mainly picatinny mounts I make sure to use picatinny rings. You want the larger crossbolt that fits the slot in the mount. I also mount bigger scopes so I like a lot of contact to prevent the tube slipping so the 6 screw style rings are my choice.

As far as scope, a lot of good recommendations. You really do not need to spend big bucks for a Euro scope (I've seen a fair share of dead Zeiss scopes) but you do need a quality scope. The less weight of a 1-4X would be an advantage. Avoid things that can break like electronics, side focus. Also look for etched reticle instead of wire and if possible one that is FFP. If any lens shifts in front of the reticle the POI will change. The favorite term of the scope manufacturers when you ask what went wrong with the scope you returned is "loss of collimation", basically a lens came loose. So the less lenses in front of the reticle the better. In the old days they use to say a scope had a lot of "reticle float". No, just lenses floating around. The best recommendation I liked for a guide gun that may take a beating, the ACOG! Might not be pretty but they always seemed to be tougher then a cheap steak to me while I was in the service.
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