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    Posted: February/25/2008 at 20:51
Hello, I'm considering picking up a "good deal" 8-24x40 scope, mainly for target shooting, maybe p-dogs, 100-200 yards. It has a 1/4" moa adjustment, where my BIL's monarch has a 1/8" moa. Is  this a bad idea, (ie; not fine enough) given what I'm going to use it for?
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What cartridge are you using?  For 100-200 yards, clicks should be the least of your concerns with any centerfire varmint cartridge.  Also, are you sure it is not too much scope for your intended ranges?

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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

What cartridge are you using?  For 100-200 yards, clicks should be the least of your concerns with any centerfire varmint cartridge.  Also, are you sure it is not too much scope for your intended ranges?

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It's probably overkill for 100 yards, but I like to see the target more clearly at 200, and my 5-15 on my .17 isn't enough, in my opinion. Plus my BIL just found a range near his house with a 300 yard target so I'd like to do more of that.
What do you mean by "clicks should be the least of your concerns with any centerfire varmint cartridge"? I don't follow.
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 Does your rifle routinely shoot quarter-inch groups or eighth- inch groups? 
 
 
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Originally posted by RONK RONK wrote:

 
 Does your rifle routinely shoot quarter-inch groups or eighth- inch groups? 
 
 
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I don't have it yet, it's still in "the mail", but I'm hoping that I can build it so it does. I realize that loads make a huge difference, and I'm reloading for my current .243 ruger which does "ok". My .17hmr is putting 3 shot groups in the same hole at 100, so I'm hoping I can do similar with this new gun, perhaps that's unrealistic.
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With 243Win varmint loads, if you zero at 200yards, the trajectory will be about 1" high at 100 yards.  There is no need to use the scope's adjustments to get on target.  Clicks come into play for longer range shooting, and quarter inch clicks are generally much easier to work with than 1/8" clicks.

If your 5-15x40 does not show you the target clearly enough at 200yards, perhaps it is worth your while to invest in higher grade optics rather than look for more magnification.

You did not mention what these 5-15x40 and 8-32x40 scopes are.   What brand/model are they?

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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

With 243Win varmint loads, if you zero at 200yards, the trajectory will be about 1" high at 100 yards.  There is no need to use the scope's adjustments to get on target.  Clicks come into play for longer range shooting, and quarter inch clicks are generally much easier to work with than 1/8" clicks.

If your 5-15x40 does not show you the target clearly enough at 200yards, perhaps it is worth your while to invest in higher grade optics rather than look for more magnification.

You did not mention what these 5-15x40 and 8-32x40 scopes are.   What brand/model are they?

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Actually, the 15x I have is very clear, I just prefer to have a better view of the bullseye than it affords (ie, I want it HUGE). I realize that there are plenty of marksmen out there that shoot 300yards or better using iron sights and have no complaints.. I guess I'm just picky.
the 5-15x40 is a browning, and this "great deal" looks to be exactly the same specs, made by bushnell, but with no branding at all on it.. Like it was a contract made scope, but they made more than the contract asked for. It's a good deal, I'm having a hard time passing it up.
I would have never thought of this as an issue, but my BIL's monarch has the 1/8 adjustment, and he's pointed out the 1/4" to me several times before when I'd show him a link to some scope I was considering. I know the glass on this one would be 4200 level bushnell, so it's very bright, and it's a mil-dot.
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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

With 243Win varmint loads, if you zero at 200yards, the trajectory will be about 1" high at 100 yards.  There is no need to use the scope's adjustments to get on target.  Clicks come into play for longer range shooting, and quarter inch clicks are generally much easier to work with than 1/8" clicks.

If your 5-15x40 does not show you the target clearly enough at 200yards, perhaps it is worth your while to invest in higher grade optics rather than look for more magnification.

You did not mention what these 5-15x40 and 8-32x40 scopes are.   What brand/model are they?

ILya


oh, and it's not 8-32, it's 8-24.. 32x would certainly be overkill.
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No branding on it? that sounds a bit suspicious to me, but that's you call of course.

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1/8 is a pain in the but, I like 1/2 myselfLoco
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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

No branding on it? that sounds a bit suspicious to me, but that's you call of course.

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eh, it's from a legitimate source. My browning is a bushnell, and it's quite nice. this one is identical to it, except for a marking on the caps. It comes from bushnell, so it has the same warranty, etc..
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i would just be curious about the quality control - if bushnell has their name on it, then it gets their quality control which is fairly good - if it doesn't, then it probably doesn't.
 
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my 2 cents.
 
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Originally posted by jonbravado jonbravado wrote:

i would just be curious about the quality control - if bushnell has their name on it, then it gets their quality control which is fairly good - if it doesn't, then it probably doesn't.
 
beware of 'good deals' in the optics industry - shop on www.swfa.com - they are a trusted
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my 2 cents.
 
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eh, no longer a concern, as they sold out this morning. should have jumped on it last night.
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Not sure if I can post links, but I'll do it anyway. This was the scope in question. My browning has the identical specs. http://www.competitorss.com/product.cfm?contentID=productDetail&prodID=BH888244MQ&src=BE253
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oh well - i have lost out on a few deals in my time > always sucks, but things happen for a reason.
 
let us know what's next as far as options go for you.
 
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1/8 MOA adjustments are not bad at all. Look at the way snipers pull off shots. If all you are going to do is zero your rifle and use the reticle to compensate for your shot. If you are going to adjust between every shot and your shots will vary between 100 and 1000 meters, then a 1/2 or 1 MOA adjustment is right for you. I have found a new scope that I have had nothing but good luck with. And that is the Falcon Menace 4.5-18x56 counter sniper scope. I am a local SWAT sniper in NE oklahoma, and we started using these scopes and none of us have at all been disappointed. We looked around and have not found a bad review about them anywhere. We dealt with www.sightwonders.com . He is an ex sniper and one of just a few dealers for these scopes in the US. These scopes are simply amazing!!!

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Originally posted by Dogger Dogger wrote:

Please read O.T. Rules #3 out of respect for our sponsor.
Was that directed at me or onedrz? I'd buy SWFA, but they didn't carry that particular scope.
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Originally posted by marvinbeaverdip marvinbeaverdip wrote:

Originally posted by Dogger Dogger wrote:

Please read O.T. Rules #3 out of respect for our sponsor.
Was that directed at me or onedrz? I'd buy SWFA, but they didn't carry that particular scope.
 
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I just noticed that someone changed my post to nullify the link I showed for the UN-purchasable item on another site. (I only showed it after it was noted as out-of-stock, and therefor just for information only) I didn't realize it was a "threat" to SWFA's business. Silly me thinking this was a "discussion" forum.
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If this is going on a factory rifle then 1/4 is enough. 1/8 is a pain....

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1/4 MOA is still my favorite, it gives you enough movement for minor adjustments plus enough of a range for adjusting between 100 -1000 yrds. I have also become a big fan of metric clicks. The scope that I just bought is 1cm@100yrds. Now that I have gotten used to it, Ive found that adjustments are that much easier to work out in my head. and converting inches to cm is pretty easy also.
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I can honestly say that .25 moa has never caused me to be unable to zero a rifle.
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